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Unknown Steering Conversion

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Tech' started by Simplegreen21, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Jan 3, 2019
    Simplegreen21

    Simplegreen21 New Member

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    Hey guys,

    I have a 71 CJ5 and I am trying to get it back to a somewhat original state. One thing that was changed was the steering components. I tried to get some pictures, and hopefully they are somewhat helpful. Really what I am looking for is getting the steering wheel position and angle back to factory. Based on what you see in these pictures is that possible with the current setup? If not, what would I need to change? Thanks!


    Side view of shaft
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    Top down view of steering box under/behind bumper
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    View up under steering box.
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  2. Jan 3, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    Sooo... you want to get rid of the manual Saginaw conversion and go back to a Ross box? Anything is possible, but you'd be taking a big step backwards.

    You'll need mostly all of the original components from a donor, since it appears they tore everything out when they did the conversion. Column, box, bellcrank and mount...
     
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    47v6

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    Guys, Is it a manual vega box?

    I would either use that box or go power at this point.
     
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    Rich M.

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    I'm not crazy about that box placement or what I can see of the workmanship. Personally I'd cut that bracket off and fab something tighter to the frame rail with a custom or readily available type mount ( view stickied power steering thread on this site)

    A stock or postal column and brackets can be found to restore the interior scene easily enough.
     
  5. Jan 3, 2019
    Twin2

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    one of the steering swaps . that someone just hung it lower than front crossmember . it it works just leave it
    or go power as suggested . we have a whole thread about steering . going back to ross steering box . wouldn't do it
    picture of column and dash , also the bottom of column where it goes in to floor would help
    Saginaw Power Steering (pics) Please Add Yours!
     
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    garage gnome

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    73 cj5

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    I think swapping out the OEM slop err steering is one of the best things next to 11” brakes. Less moving parts to wear out and your local flaps possibly has another box on hand instead of waiting for parts. It’s your rig though; do as you see fit.
     
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    colojeepguy

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with where your box is mounted...HOW it's mounted looks sketchy.
    As mentioned above, you can use a postal jeep steering column (if you can find one, they are getting scarce) to keep the Saginaw steering box while having original appearance.
     
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    mike starck

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    You could remove all that was done and replace with all stock components ,should note be hard to find used part with all the Saginaw conversions going on. Or after getting all that mess removed install a quality Saginaw steering box (power or manual) with a '72 -75 cj5 column or a postal column to keep that original look and feel . I have a '69 cj5 w Saginaw power and love driving it. It as been my long time hunting/off road rig and had no special originality ,just a old jeep in need of some love. Now my 1971 cj5 Renegade II is a different story .No modifications here for comfort or otherwise. I do enjoy driving it on the street and have had it to the sand dunes twice.It is doable even with 31x10.50 tire (235-75's would be better) So there ya go follow your heart..
     
  10. Jan 4, 2019
    tarry99

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    Post a few pics inside..........But from what I can see outside.......that setup and where it's mounted at a angle is pretty consistent with the 72 and later AMC CJ-5s ..........crawl under a later Jeep up through the 80's and look...........the angled mount is just the way it lays out with the Pittman arm keyed in that manner........I think he just used a bunch of parts out of a later Jeep ????

    That bracket looks a little rough.........might be able to clean it up and strengthen it some........or just start over ..........I'm also a big fan of Power Steering especially if your going off road with over-sized tires.
     
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    Simplegreen21

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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for all the replies! I don't mind leaving the steering components as they are if they are indeed better than stock. My bigger concern is the steering column height and angle. I think it would fit better if that was back to stock location. I apologize I should have posted more pictures of that part as well. It seems the consensus is that I should be able to get a steering column from a jeep of similar year or a mail jeep and replace this one. I am not very familiar with steering components, but if I do change the angle of the steering column will the new angle still work with the u joints?

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    Thanks!
     
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    73 cj5

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    An intermediate tilt column would bolt right in now. I see bubba did a number on the dash and floor. :n:
     
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    tarry99

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    An intermediate would require more surgery to the dash.........needs to go up several more inches...............Simplegreen go look at a later dash.......the later dash will fit in there like this one...........I suspect that the column is AMC Jeep.
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    timgr

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    The column shown by the OP looks like a GM column. Jeep used the GM column in CJs from '76 on, and a later CJ could have been the source of your column. Prior to 1976, Jeep used a tubular column with the "bus wheel," an iconic large-diameter black steering wheel. The bus wheel is kind-of a good thing for manual steering, since its large diameter gives you extra leverage when steering. This can be helpful with manual steering and large tires typically used on Jeeps. Many of the postal Jeeps used a tubular column with a bus wheel, like the CJs. These were popular for conversion in CJ-5s, since they could be more easily adapted to Saginaw steering than the original column. I suspect you could just as well use an intermediate Jeep CJ column, which is a tubular style with bus wheel, meant to work with Saginaw steering. These parts may be more available than postal Jeep parts today. Another possibility is a column from Ididit or Flaming River, or another seller for hot rods. These parts are listed on Summit or Jeggs. The main issue will be appearance - the hot rod column will look like a custom installation.
     
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    timgr

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    Intermediates never came with tilt. The picture above from Tarry is an intermediate Jeep.
     
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    73 cj5

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    Sorry 76-86 tilt column. The dash has already been chopped and I suspect it'd bolt in fine. That column looks eerily similar to some used in later CJ's w/o tilt
     
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    Simplegreen21

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    Tim,

    You are correct, I would like the tubular style column with the bus wheel. You mention intermediate jeep CJ column, but upon doing some googling I'm not sure how to find something like that.
     
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    Twin2

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    I know where a 75 column is but it's a long way from you . he might ship
     
  19. Jan 7, 2019
    colojeepguy

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    The intermediate 72-75 column might be a possibility for you...it's a couple inches longer than the postal column.
    The large mounting plate where it attaches to the dash can be removed with a little bit of careful grinding, or you may want to utilize it considering how badly your dash has been hacked.
     
  20. Jan 7, 2019
    Simplegreen21

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    Thank you for all the replies! I'm still learning quite a bit so I apologize if some of the things I ask don't make much sense.

    I am having some trouble locating an intermediate column, I am mostly finding newer stuff like this.
    JEGS 70467: Universal Floor Shift Tilt Steering Column, Black, 2 in. Diameter, 32 in. Length | JEGS

    Would something like this work? Can I even attach a Jeep steering wheel to this?
    Nostalgia Steel Steering Column

    I guess what I am trying to get to is the wheel position like in this photo.
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    It seem like the way mine is right now, it's lower down and at a less steep angle.
    I attempted to make a drawing of that what I think I should look like, does that seem like about the original height and angle?
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