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Stereo Electical Problem

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by gotime, May 8, 2017.

  1. May 8, 2017
    gotime

    gotime Sick with the car bug

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    I installed a Boss Audio MC900B Bluetooth amplifier in my jeep to get some tunes and hid some speakers under the seats. The system works great when the jeep isn't running. When it's running the audio cuts out really bad, to the point you can't even tell the stereo is on.

    I'm running a 12v generator and a original type voltage regulator (new from walcks) and a new wiring harness also from walcks.

    When I hook up a multi meter, the voltage is all over the place I assume from the regulator clicking on and off. The lights and charging system appear to be working properly.

    Has anyone else had this type of problem? I suspect the voltage regulator isn't regulating the voltage enough for the amplifier. But that's just a guess.

    I also tried hooking the amp directly to the battery and it does the same thing when the jeep is running and the voltage off the battery with the multi meter says the same as above.

    I have read that sometimes people need a filter inline to get rid of "generator or alternator whine" but that doesn't seem to be the issue with this.

    Help!
     
  2. May 8, 2017
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Can you measure how much current it's drawing when the jeep isn't running?

    Per available info it has a 15 amp fuse, it probably draws about 10 amps at maximum so at lower volume levels it should not be causing the regulator to go into over current shutdown which is what would cause your voltage fluctuations.

    H.
     
  3. May 8, 2017
    Glenn

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    Is there a chance the battery is the problem? Unless the regulator is defective I personally wouldn't think that it is causing the issue. Have you tried it at idle when the generator probably isn't charging?
     
  4. May 8, 2017
    gotime

    gotime Sick with the car bug

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    I agree and I'll measure this tonight and report back. If it's over 10 amps, what do I do?

    The battery is a brand new black top interstate and appears to be working fine in all aspects. I've also tried it at idle, same result.
     
  5. May 8, 2017
    PeteL

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    Not an expert, but my two cents. (Fully refundable.)

    Sounds to me like it is a voltage issue - that the stereo must be very voltage sensitive, and the Jeep is giving it voltage right at it's minimum cut-out level. I know that times when I've lost my charging system and am limping home, when the stereo goes dark it is the earliest warning of the battery being exhausted.

    Maybe the wiring or ground to the stereo isn't up to snuff, and is causing voltage drop when other items come on line. Check your connections and connectors, especially if there is any other stuff on the same circuit that is activated when the jeep is running.

    OR - Maybe the regulator is set slightly low for modern voltage standards. (Modern batteries are charged slightly higher than in the olden days.)

    Amperage wouldn't be a primary factor, IMHO, since the battery can easily dump hundreds of amps into the system when needed.

    PS - try an analog meter to get a true indication of any voltage fluctuation. Digitals can't cope with averages.

    Also it is my Golden Rule of Diagnosis, to check the "new" stuff first.
     
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  6. May 8, 2017
    Greevesman

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    What does the FSM say?
     
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  8. May 9, 2017
    Greevesman

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    Dog did nothin' cumon man!
     
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  9. May 9, 2017
    1960willyscj5

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    FSM won't tell you how to trouble shoot an aftermarket stereo system problem.

    What are you using for a power source?
    Where are you grounding it?

    The stereo probably ought to have it's own separate fused circuit.
     
  10. May 9, 2017
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Works fine at 12 volts, drives the regulator nuts when the engine is running. I'd suspect that start up surge current is making the regulator cut out but from the published specs the amp really should not be drawing that much power (No- It Really Ain't no 125 watts per channel- Sorry).

    The amp for sure should be powered directly by it's own feed from the battery but that doesn't seem to be helping here.

    The only thing I can think of is the regulator over-current cutout is set too low- probably tripping at 15-20 amps instead of 35.

    H.
     
  11. May 9, 2017
    gotime

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    Update!

    Last night i tested the draw when the jeep isn't running. The stereo draws about .5 to 1 amp when it's really loud.

    I also changed the power supply from it's current setup which is constant + power from the battery terminal on the ignition switch, + ignition power from the ignition terminal on the ignition switch and the ground from a screw on the firewall that holds the voltage regulator.

    I changed to a separate 12volt battery to power the stereo while the jeep was running - meaning it was totally isolated from the car's electrical system. The same problem still persisted. The problem is obviously some sort of electrical interference from the running engine.

    Thoughts on what or how to fix it?
     
  12. May 9, 2017
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    What kind of plugs & ignition wires are you running?
     
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    Walt Couch

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    It could also be that vibration from the running jeep is shaking something connected to or inside of the stereo.
     
  14. May 9, 2017
    Focker

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    You won't hear the stereo anyway. :p
     
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    gotime

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    autolite 295 plugs and copper core plug wires. Should I be using something else
     
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    Glenn

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    You could try supression wires, I personally don't know if they would make a difference. The copper core are best for engine performance however.
     
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    PeteL

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    Try adding a radio static supressor (capacitor) to the generator? And/or the ignition coil?

    Or maybe a choke in the feed to the stereo.

    I must add that I don't know :poo: about radio.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    It appears that your plugs are not resister types, & copper core wire is obviously not resistance type wire.

    Resistance was added to the ignition mix way back when to reduce radio noise- the resistance modifies the discharge curve of the current through the spark plug to reduce electromagnetic energy field emissions that are picked up by radios or (in extreme cases) other electronics. The energy can be broadcast through the air or conducted over the vehicles wiring to the affected electronics.

    The resistance can be in the plugs or the wires, either will work.

    Now, this may not be your problem but replacing the wires or plugs would be a good first step. You can check before / after with a am radio- You'll know it when you hear (or don't hear) it.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=reis...&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=22ASWe_cMIOfjwTzrZ3YDw


    H.
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    Ya got something else going on if it cuts out with a totally separate circuit with it's own battery and the jeep is running. There is something not right in the stereo it's own self. Does this also happen if you put in a different radio/stereo?
     
  20. May 10, 2017
    Mark Wahlster

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    Spark Plug wire interference which is much louder on AM then FM sounds like a motor sound coming from the speakers. You can actually hear the ignition as you rev up the engine. It would not have any cutting out effect on the radio.
     
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