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ignition switch??

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by ezmac, Sep 27, 2006.

  1. Sep 27, 2006
    ezmac

    ezmac New Member

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    1983 CJ5 straight 6
    Who ever wired this jeep should be hung by a rusty wiring harness. It looks like a Christmas tree. Here’s where the problem is. I guess part of the ignition switch stopped working I get volt-o-meter power I don’t get fuel or oil or water. I get tach and some dash lights. When I turn on the high beams I get the four wheel drive light. To turn the car off I have (the best part) to flip a switch on the dash that the used car dealer said was to the fuel pump. I did some checking and I don’t think the fuel pump is electronic. The switch is connected to the ignition coil!! To even start the car I have to put my finger on the coat hanger looking wire to the left of the steering column and push it up. The wire is connected to the ignition switch and the key cylinder. I Opened some things up and, OH YEA BABY its zip tied to the steering column to lift it up. Will a new ignition switch solve this mess or at least some of it. I wanna tear everything out and put in new wires. If not does anyone got a temp solution for the fuel gauge because I’m flying blind. Thanks for looking
     
  2. Sep 27, 2006
    barry

    barry Inquisitive Member

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    When I turn on the high beams I get the four wheel drive light.

    The bulb is in the wrong slot.

    Can't help with others. Sorry
     
  3. Sep 28, 2006
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    I feel your pain. The best solution ( I know you don't want to hear this) is to start over and rewire the whole thing. I had the same sort of rats nest under my dash when I got my Heep. Painless Wiring (the price isn't painless) has complete harnesses for the Jeep. In the long run, it will greatly reduce the frustration level. Sounds like a new ignition switch is in order too.
     
  4. Sep 28, 2006
    BlueFlu

    BlueFlu past owner of some ecj5's

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    :iagree: Once you start chasing wires that lead to no where you give up and start ripping the wires out.
    There a few other options for a new wiring harnesses also.
     
  5. Sep 29, 2006
    ezmac

    ezmac New Member

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    thanks i would love to do that i'm trying to keep the price under $300 for the wireing harness. quadratec has a harness for 300
     
  6. Sep 29, 2006
    timgr

    timgr Jeepin' Nerd 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

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    It's time to appeal to your inner Zen nature of calm and perspective. You can fix the existing harness. Everything that was done can be undone.

    Look at the harness one circuit at a time. It's only complicated if you try to comprehend it all at once. Don't be overwhelmed. Try to ignore the mess. Pick one wire and figure out what it does. You can tidy up everything later with tape, wire ties, or loom as you wish.

    Also, you need a factory manual that has the correct factory wiring diagram. It will also cover your accessories and components. The FSM is expensive, but an excellent investment.
    http://thejeep.com/shop/HOT+SELLERS....html?osCsid=47f0d7dca332096604deace5e15d266d
     
  7. Sep 29, 2006
    Geeper

    Geeper New Member

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    X's 3, Replace wiring.
     
  8. Sep 29, 2006
    jeepdad

    jeepdad Member

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    i agree with tmgr...one circuit at a time
     
  9. Sep 29, 2006
    ezmac

    ezmac New Member

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    timgr I was waiting for your reply I've read a lot of your posts you know your stuff. I've started to cut the tape away from the wiring harness and I've found a few fried wires. The ignition switch and a chiltons manual are on their way in. I've got the haynes but i don't like it. if i can get johnny to start up most of the times i turn the key, and get the gas gauge working i can have a daily driver. my flash light bulb blew out so it's beer thirty :beer:
    Thanks guys if anyone thinks of anything please post i really need a working gas gauge
     
  10. Sep 29, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl Semi-retired in Florida Staff Member

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    EZ-Wire Mini-12. Don't look back. ;)

    Seriously, the price isn't "painful" (~130 bux) and the quality is top-notch. By the time you spend hours and hours tracing down past-owners' mistakes, you can re-wire an entire jeep and have it all work correctly. It really isn't rocket science...

    http://www.ezwiring.com/
     
  11. Sep 30, 2006
    BlueComet

    BlueComet 1962 JEEP CJ-5

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    I re-wired my Jeep a few wires at a time, and eventually did the whole thing. It takes patience, but really isn't all that difficult. I happened to have plenty of wire on hand, and just bought the connectors as I needed them. I would pick a circuit or two here and there, and do only those that day. The EZ or Painless kits are probably better in some ways, unless you use high-quality connectors. If you don't go with a kit, my best piece of advice would be to not skimp on your connectors and switches.
     
  12. Sep 30, 2006
    mcmurry

    mcmurry New Member

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    Would you suggest soldering the connections? Or shrink wrap, or just electrical tape?
     
  13. Sep 30, 2006
    CD60

    CD60 Member

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    Soldering with heat shrink gives the least chance for corrosion.
     
  14. Sep 30, 2006
    timgr

    timgr Jeepin' Nerd 2020 Sponsor 2019 Sponsor

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    w3srl

    w3srl Semi-retired in Florida Staff Member

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    I've been down both roads with our trucks at work, crimp & heatshrink vs solder & heatshrink. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

    Crimp & heatshrink is quick & dirty, and lasts reasonably well. Eventually you will get some corrosion & issues with dissimilar metals but these connections hold up reasonably well.

    Solder & heatshrink has much better electrical properties, and tend to hold up a bit better but they also have issues with physical strength. While the soldered joint itself is bulletproof, I've found that if there is any strain whatsoever on the wire leading up to the solder joint, the wire will eventually break off right where the solder stops penetrating the stranded wire.

    Six one way, half dozen the other!
     
  16. Oct 1, 2006
    Dana

    Dana Think Pink

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    Vintage Jeeps sells an OEM harness with all the proper connectors on it. Its not cheap, but the color coding is correct per manuals (nice for doing stuff years down the road), you can lead the harness as per manuals and the connectors are correct. I wired the whole Jeep in less than a day, having never done harness installation before.
     

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