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F134 Oil Filter

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by gotime, Mar 10, 2017.

  1. Mar 10, 2017
    gotime

    gotime Sick with the car bug

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    I had my engine rebuild several years ago by Northstar Willys in MN (formerly Willys Minneapolis) where it was when I purchased by Jeep many years ago.

    Anyway - I'm almost done with my restoration and getting ready to put oil in and run the engine. They told me not to run an oil filter and to just change the oil more frequently. The reason for not running a filter was because the filter is a passive system that tended to starve a couple of the main bearings. I have no problem changing the oil every thousand miles if that's what it takes. I wanted to hear what you all have to say about this.

    Can of worms maybe... Thoughts?
     
  2. Mar 10, 2017
    Glenn

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    Does it have the canister system? Are the inlet and return oil lines hooked up? It won't hurt the engine to run a filter, won't hurt it not to. No reason not to though. Best thing to do is put the filter in the canister and then fill the canister with oil so it will already have the restriction from the filter. The oil system is a by-pass system.
     
  3. Mar 10, 2017
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Bull Pucky.

    There was an issue on early L heads where the spray nozzle lubricating the timing gears had too large an orifice- that reduced pressure to the front main bearing. This was rectified with a smaller orifice on later L & all F heads- theres a section on this in the FSM. If you have the wrong nozzle simply swap it out for the proper size.

    I've actually pumped oil into an engine with the pan off to see where itl comes out- the vast majority of the flow is through the filter, at a wild guess I'd say over 90%. The bearings, at least fresh bearings, really just "weep". My oil pressure is 60 PSI at idle.

    F134 Timing Gear Oiling

    oil filter

    H.
     
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  4. Mar 10, 2017
    PeteL

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    Horse Feathers.

    x2 what Howard says.
     
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    william_cj3b

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    x3.

    If you do run it without a filter, plug the port in the block where the filter line connects. Don't run an empty filter housing.
     
  6. Mar 11, 2017
    PeteL

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    Howard - is this true for F-heads before the CJ5 era?
    I seem to recall my 1950 truck (f-head) needing the small-orifice upgrade when I rebuilt it.
     
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    gotime

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    For clarification, my oils supply and return lines are plugged. So I plan to run no filter, no oil through the filter housing either unless it's a bad idea. I like the idea of more oil to the bearings.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    You won't get more oil to the bearings, the pressure will increase untill the bypass in the pump opens at around 60 PSI & that's it for flow. There's plenty of capacity in the pump to feed the bearings & run the excess (see above) through the filter.

    H.
     
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    PeteL

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    Based on the amount of sludge I have removed from F-head filter cannisters, I would hate to not have one.
     
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    Glenn

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    I would at least make plans to get an oil filter setup in the near future. It won't hurt anything to break it in without a filter.
     
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    I would think that is one of the more important times to have a filter. They were invented for a purpose and serve it well.
     
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    1957Willys

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    Didn't some of the canister filters have a drain?
     
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    PeteL

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    Not sure. I've seen that on other vehicles, even other jeeps, but not on my Cj5s.
     
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    Glenn

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    I do agree with that thought, but since it is a bypass system it won't filter all of the oil anyway.
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    F-heads from beginning of M38A1 era. Flathead before that.
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Honestly I'm not sure, never even thought about truck engines. :oops:

    H.
     
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    Glenn

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    Was there any difference in the engines.....truck versus CJ?
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    My '51 pickup had the F-head. Don't know on the orifice in the timing cover or where ever it was mounted. And don't remember what the pressure was on the oil gauge.
     
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    1960willyscj5

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    The cover for the over head valves? Had a vent connection to the air-cleaner element. Don't all or most of the CJ's use a tube from the dip-stick tube to the air-cleaner?
    When did the road-tube go away? That changed things also.
    And some of the Pickups and Wagons had F-head six cylinders. When did the F-head replace the Flathead in the pickups and wagons? The '50 or '51 Willys Overland wagon I drove while in the Navy came to me with a 283 SBC in it. Didn't have a real impressive top speed (I remember it being 50 or 55 mph), but it would pull stumps when you wanted to.
     
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    Rick Whitson

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    Did this to my new motor.[​IMG]
     
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