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Bigdaddy's Socal 1963 Tuxedo Park Resto-mod.

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Bigdaddy13, Dec 9, 2019.

  1. Oct 8, 2020
    Fireball

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    Triangles are good. They keep rectangles from parallelograming. I would recommend diagonals either forward or backward in the rear side areas like this:

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    That will greatly improve the cage strength. Then do away with the proposed low horizontal bar, It's really not doing anything to strengthen the cage.

    Also, your additional horizontal link at the top is redundant with the one that's already there, but it's definitely nice from an aesthetics standpoint.

    The diagonals up top are a good idea.
     
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  2. Oct 9, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I took a bit of time and fishmouthed one of my small pieces and i really like your diagonal suggestion now that i see how that connection works.

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  3. Oct 10, 2020
    Fireball

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    That looks nice and will definitely make the cage stronger. (y)
     
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  4. Oct 11, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    Everything is just tacked in for now but i think this def. the way i’ll go for the sides. I might just call it good and add some non structural flat/round stock on the rear family cage roof to help the canvas not sag, and forego any more heavy stuff in the rear.

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  5. Oct 11, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    Celebrating my birthday today since later in the week gets a bit busy for everyone. Got some gifty’s early from my girls, including new synthetic winch line and an aluminum fairlead. Should add a safety measure to winching:

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    i’m digging that the tux bumper is so smooth. It should let the rope slide easily over it.
     
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  6. Oct 15, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    Soooooo, there's an idea in my mind, a 4.3L TBI V6 in my pickup bed, a SM465 bellhousing on my workbench, and a glow in my heart. :D :D

    I'm calling it a side project for now...[evil laugh]
     
  7. Nov 9, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

    Bigdaddy13 Member 2020 Sponsor

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    Well, after a lot of hemming and hawing, I have a solid plan. Gonna havta push out my planned trips in 2022, - need to allow funds to build up (even though, some of this has already been ordered) As far as I can tell, my jeep won't be off the road until Summer 2021. If I can grab a trailer in the midst of all this, I could get it out for some easy desert cruising.

    Chief Financial officer AKA SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) gave got an enthusiastic thumbs up and don't worry, we've been transparent on what her long-term, big-budget plans are, too. :) ( Happy wife, happy life) Here's the general plan:

    4.3l engine assessment (winter 2020)
    • Tear down the 4.3L - Check for overall condition. If good-to-go: install new oil pump, new gaskets, paint job, few other new bits and seal back up.
    • This engine has provisions for a mechanical fuel pump - very tempted to just run a mech. pump/carb/manifold.
    Transmission/Tcase (Feb/March 2021)
    • SM465/Big Hole TeraLow Dana18 - built and assembled together by Herm.
    • I was thinking of doing this myself, but recent family events have reminded me that my family time is worth more to me. Farming it out allows this, and also allows me to be doing some other "lighter" winter projects on the Jeep. (costs were almost identical in the end)
    • My ratio pencils out to 88:1 (6.55 x 3.15 x 4.27) with my current setup, which should be great on technical trails, and will allow for axle changes in the future if I decide to go to full-width 44's or 1-tons. (doubtful, but again, buy once/cry once)
    Rear Fuel tank swap (Winter 2020)
    • Going to be swapping in a 78-up tank/skid
    • This opens up the front underseat area for A) new plastic tank dedicated for water only (10 gallons of on-board water for showers/washing/cooling system) or B) tool/parts storage.
    Steering upgrade (winter 2020)
    • I have a brand new Speedway motors hot rod column, Sweets u-joints, collapsible shaft and mounting brackets on my bench ready to remedy my sloppy steering and my "bit too close" steering wheel.
    Engine/trans/tcase install (spring/summer 2021)
    • I'm planning on this install during the warmer part of the year, because here in so-cal that's when we have ZERO wheeling trips planned (desert is hot!) and my girls tend to take "girls only" vacations, which means mucho garage time for me...
    • Burn in/bolt in engine mounts (Novak/AA likely), fab crossmember mods, reposition cooling system, floorboard/dog house cover fab, take driveshaft measurements and send out for modification, etc., etc.
    Axles (TBD, 2021)
    • I'm going to be on the lookout for NT D30 and flanged D44 axles. I'm not going to run a full-floater kit at this time. Wanting to keep my wheels/tires as-is.
    • This likely means I'm going to be selling my 19 spline Detroit that I have, so keep an eye out.
    • These axles will be both be locked, and I'm hoping to stick with 4.27's, but I might consider other options, too, like 4.88's, but that would mean I need to run an OD. (I still haven't decided If I want an OD or not)
    • For lockers, I'm undecided. I don't know if i can afford ARB's or Eaton E-lockers, so it might be a normal detroit rear and lockright up front.
    Suspension (TBD, 2021)
    • I'm sticking with TomTom's approach of a refreshed 0-1" stock suspension system. Not only for Tcase clocking with the SM465, lower COG, u-joint life, etc. ...I have a REALLY small garage opening currently AND I potentially still might get a toyhauler trailer, so I'm trying to keep my rig low.
    Tuxedo park Resto-mod (continued) (TBD, 2021)
    • Hood Emblems/V6 Emblems
    • Rechroming my hood/windhield hinges
    • Re-imaging/shaping my front tuxedo park bumper for trail use
    • 60/40 front seat re-upholster and install once gas tank is gone. (I have a few idea's on this)
    • I love the way my jeep looks, and I want to include as many pieces of the Tux park trim that I can. These are also easy projects that my kids could definitely get involved in.


    I'd honestly love some input on how you phased your project for the least amount of down time. I think the biggest hurdle will be the drivetrain install/fitment, so I'm planning on allowing at least a month or two for that part.
     
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  8. Nov 20, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    SM420’s just came onto my radar as something that might just work with my current motor, 225’s and my potential future 4.3l project.
    (My wee buick motor runs great. Zero reason to get rid of it. But, i like the idea that i have easy choices if i install a 4 speed and the mill takes a dirt nap.)


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    to that end i did some digging around and documentation tonight:

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    The previous owner did some good work replacing parts and rebuilding a few systems. Clutch parts looked like they might be in fairly fresh condition.

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    long story short,
    • Bellhousing is 6” deep,
    • T90 to 198 Buick Bellhousing is 2 5/8” deep,
    • Spacer looks to have standard GM pattern on bell side (i measured bolt spacing and compared it to my sm465 bell.) That, for me, confirms that the stock 198 V6 bell has a gm pattern.
    • Bearing retainer bore on adapter spacer looks to be the standard t90. Unknown clutch/flywheel setup. Can anyone identify? Looks like stock T90 parts to me on a 225 style flywheel?
    • I wasn't able to look at the bell side bearing opening, but I'm guessing it's the standard 4.680" bore opening that the sm420 would slide right into. To use a sm465, I'd have to open it up to the bigger 5 1/8", I think?

    would the sm420’s 6.5” stickout work with this 6" bell? Does the .25-.5” remainder fit into the pilot bearing opening on the crank?
     

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  9. Nov 20, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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  10. Nov 22, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    Made some progress on my steering upgrade last night.
    Old column removed.
    New column assembled and attached temporarily to the steering links.
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    this moves the column about 2.5-3” away from me and gives me quite a bit more comfort. I still might notch my fender-well to get a bit more space.

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    Question: does the collapsible steering rod have to go one direction or another? This is how i have it to clear the jeepster manifold:

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    Question: i am likely going to have to trim the shaft, is one end better than the other?
     
  11. Nov 22, 2020
    homersdog

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    As far as trimming the shaft, the hollow end already has a hole pre-drilled for one of the set screws doesn't it?
     
  12. Nov 22, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    I don’t think so, but i can check.
     
  13. Nov 23, 2020
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    Call the suppler and see what they say
     
  14. Nov 23, 2020
    Bigdaddy13

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    i actually looked back at the listing, i forget, Ididit or borgeson...and it specifically says that this shaft is trimmable.
     
  15. Nov 27, 2020 at 1:30 PM
    BadGoat

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    I have trimmed them on both ends, depending on your needs. The outer shaft (larger diameter) will have a drilled and tapped hole for the set screw. Avoid this end. The inner shaft should have groove in part of it, along with a small spring to keep the shafts tight. Be aware of the impact any cuts might have on the groove and the spring.

    Mike
     
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