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69 Cj5 Heater System

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Tech' started by Biggyniner, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Mar 29, 2019
    Werner Boons

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    Hi,

    my CJ5 from 1966 has this heater/defroster. Unfortunately most of the connections were ripped off. I want to restore it to the original. Can someone give me an answer on the red questions below in the image?

    Where are the different tubes go to?
    Are the tubes on the control panel made out of rubber?

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    Thanks in advance

    Werner
     
  2. Mar 29, 2019
    tarry99

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    The rubber line.............marked in RED is the other 1/2 of the system like #12 that comes out of the heater core and goes to either your water pump or manifold to make a complete circuit...........

    #23 & #24 are vacuum pods and rubber vacuum lines that are actuated to open / close the heater and defroster venting.........
     
  3. Mar 29, 2019
    TIm E

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    Working left to right, and using numbers as reference points...

    #24 - Yes, rubber vacuum lines.
    #14 - Heater core line goes to port on passenger side rear of intake manifold.
    #16 - Vacuum supply line, goes to a source of vacuum on intake manifold.
    #9 - Heater core line goes to water pump.
     
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  4. Apr 2, 2019
    Werner Boons

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    Thanks to the both of you...very usefull information.

    I dismounted the dashboard yesterday and hey...what are these tubes doing here? So I just found 2 of the 3 tubes going to the control panel.
    Also I now know how things are working so it must be not that difficult so rebuild it.

    Unfortunately I found out that the right vacuum pod is missing...someone has this one in his scrapbox maybe?
     
  5. Apr 2, 2019
    Lee Bennett

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  6. Apr 7, 2019
    Hônes

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    Hi guys. I too am restoring this style of heater system on the ‘66. That diagram of the entire system and where all the vac tubes go is fantastic. I’m missing the heater fan switch plastic piece as seems all too common and am working on 3D printing one to see if that works well. More immediately a problem is the fan switch ‘had’ 3 terminals off the back but the 12V+ power input terminal spade has long since been broken off. Anyone know where a like unit can be had? Been searching the web for hours spread over several days. The two remaining output spades are the low and high speed wires. Trying to maintain the original appearance. FB67B610-B26C-4E39-BA35-35326951B420.jpeg
     
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  7. Apr 8, 2019
    colojeepguy

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    You're in Colo Springs? My Jeep has a (mostly) stock functioning heater if you'd like to take a look sometime.
     
  8. Apr 8, 2019
    Hônes

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    Right on. Good to meet other local Jeepers!

    The 71 had the same as the current 66 project so I do have a reference for what it should look like. Really hoping to source a replacement one. Found a very similar “Off-On-On” version by Jandorf #61033 for household current but it’s only 1A rated. I’d guess the fan pulls more than that. May have to stick ‘er on the meter to verify.
    -Hônes
     
  9. Apr 9, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    Welcome from Michigan, The people here are Great, and very helpful, Good Luck.
     
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  10. Apr 10, 2019
    gotime

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    Can someone tell me (take a picture) how the bowden wire in the parts image above, post #21 (item 27) attaches to the control assembly (item 25)? Is there a clip or something that attaches it to the slide control?

    Also, where is the fan power suppose to connect to originally? I know the power wires from the fan connect to the control, but here does the control get power and where is the ground wire from the fan suppose to attach? My FSM doesn't say anything about the heater.
     
  11. Apr 10, 2019
    Lee Bennett

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    Is it not like a normal switch? One terminal is power, the other two are speeds. The switch gets ground from the dash and the motor grounds on the blower housing.
     
  12. Apr 10, 2019
    Walt Couch

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    Actually the switch does not use a ground. It only passes 12VDC to the blower motor.
     
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    gotime

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    Correct.

    Based on the diagram in this thread that I mentioned, there is also a fuse holder (item #26). I assume that is in line between the switch and the power source. Is that correct? Anyone know the correct fuse size?

    There are several places to get power from in the dash, I want to know where it would have been connected originally.
     
  14. Apr 11, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    I don't know what the FSM says, but I put a 15A in mine, because of the surge when the blower starts, have never blown it. I used a factory 1966 wire harness in my rebuild because it was virgin, never messed with. It is a PITA, because you have to find the inline fuse when something happens, but I didn't want to make a whole new harness. Anything I added, radio, wipers, and siren , I put marine inline fuse holders. Good Luck
     
  15. Apr 12, 2019
    gotime

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    Anyone shoot a picture and get me some info?
     
  16. May 6, 2019
    Hônes

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    My control cable comes out towards the front rather than the side (per the diagram in #21) but here’s what it looks like on the underside. The wire is just wrapped around the post. Also shown is my broken fan switch which I’m trying to find a replacement for if anyone knows a modern retrofit that works well.
    1F8ACD8D-F779-4D1D-9544-40B5B4FD1D73.jpeg My in-line fuse to the heater fan switch is a 20A but I don’t claim that as being factory necessarily.
     
  17. May 6, 2019
    mike starck

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    Heres hoping someone comes up with a switch number for these heaters.Would be great to have a replacement.I have thought that if I find a switch I will use it to trigger a relay to fan motor to save the switch. mike
     
  18. May 6, 2019
    timgr

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    If all you need is a rotary switch, this might work: A11514RNZQ C&K | Switches | DigiKey
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    Normally the threaded base comes through the panel and is hidden by a recess in the knob. You could do that, or mount it on the part behind the panel and just have the shaft come through. The shaft is probably too large for the original knob, but there are hundreds of knob types that could be used in place of the original.

    NB this is only rated for 350mA DC, so you'd need a relay to do the heater motor switching. Motors typically draw a heavy load at start-up, and can have a big inductive kick (arcing!) at shut-down - likely too much for this puny switch.
     
  19. May 6, 2019
    Twin2

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    fan switch has 12V in and two 12V out . when one wire is powered it runs on low . when both wires are powered it runs on high
    now for that unobtainable switch # 962327 . good luck finding one
     
  20. May 6, 2019
    timgr

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    Straightforward to do that with the above switch. Off, low and high. You'd need to power the low relay from both the switch and the high relay. Thus, low relay would be powered on low and both relays powered on high. The relays both handle the motor load and duplicate the performance of the original switch, with some easy additional wiring.
     

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