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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by rat_ranger, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

    rat_ranger New Member

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    Ok, wandering through a jeep salvage yard looking for an ECJ-5 roll bar to stick in my cj2a I found an oddfire v6 in need of a rebuild. now My question is since it is a complete motor would it be worth $100 or should i try to talk them down?
     
  2. Jul 18, 2006
    nuttcase5fan

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    the heads alone are worth that! so's the exaust mani's
     
  3. Jul 18, 2006
    vanguard

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    I think a better question might be, do you need a motor? R)

    After almost completing a repower with an oddfire, I'd be inclined to go another route next time. Assuming there is a next time that is. R)
     
  4. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    lol, well atleast i know the parts are worth it. Well, I do need a motor, but really a running motor would be nice. either way I dont want to go to a chevy motor, and the bump in power would be nice, and it would atleast keep a "jeep" motor in it. And with all the worki I am already doing on the jeep an extra couple steps wouldnt really be noticed.
     
  5. Jul 18, 2006
    Chuck

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    I just sold a runner for $75
     
  6. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    Man, why can't i find deals like that. everyone around here thinks if its old its worth its weight in gold. One guy tried to tell me a bare block for a go-devil lhead would cost me $500 in unknown condition. Or the guy that said a d44 was worth 1k.
     
  7. Jul 18, 2006
    vanguard

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    I think you end up spending more for rebuild and parts when going with the oddfire V6 as compared to a GM V8. The availability of parts both OEM and aftermarket for the V8 means their considerably less expensive than those for the oddfire.

    I went with the oddfire thinking I would save quite a bit in fabrication time, by keeping the transmission/transfer case in the same place. It turned out this was a minor consideration compared to the rest of the work involved. For my outlay so far, it would have been cheaper to sell my Jeep and buy a stock V6 equipped unit.
     
  8. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    Oh i know it would be cheaper to rebuild a 350. But I have this thing where I am sick and tired of seeing everything with a chevy motor. For that reason I refuse to drop a chevy in it. I am not expecting to save time or money by getting a 225 vs a gm4.3. Its just a personal preference to run a "jeep" engine and not a gm.
    *edit* While i am trying to get a 225 to rebuild I am also going to rebuild the go-devil engine as well. I might stick the 225 in my jeep or i mihgt stick the go-devil in, not sure yet. I will have 17 weeks to decide starting the 26th when I ship to basic. Since my cj is getting restified and not restored I might stick the 225 in it and then keep the go devil until i find another basket case to restore.
     
  9. Jul 18, 2006
    Txjake

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    you could also find a Buick 350 Dauntless from a FSJ for something different.....
     
  10. Jul 18, 2006
    Mcruff

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    I'll give you a brake down on the cost of my motor.
    I have a 71 225 Dauntless that had 166k miles on it, it was tired and needed rebuilt bad.

    Block work (bored, honed, tanked, all freeze plugs and cam bearings installed) $184
    Head work $354 (all new guides, seals, hardened valve seats, tanked and magnafluxed, surfaced)
    Master Rebuild kit (autozone) $356
    Oil pump kit (mellings) $23
    Roller chains (edelbrock) $54
    Engine paint $15
    Water pump (new not rebuilt) $34
    Radiator recored $241
    Valves and springs $120
    Resurface flywheel $35

    Total - $1416
    I did all work my self!
    Is this cheaper than a small block, Yes!
    The engine kit was about $150 cheaper than a small block kit.
    The rest of the work would have had to be done and would have been more expensive due to having extra cylinders. The head work was expensive since these motors never had seals, guides or hardened valve seats. As far as the motor being worth $100 yes, I bought a spare set of heads for $30, and a spare valve train setup for another $30 so the motor is probably worth $200-$250 in parts. If you buy the motor make sure its not full of water and it is complete.
     
  11. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    Its all there, I asked and looked. It isnt full of water because its upside down in the yards garage with no oil pan on it, the cylinders look a little rusty, but the everything else looks like it still has a little oil on it. I think it sat with the heads off for a while.
     
  12. Jul 18, 2006
    vanguard

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  13. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    but that still needs an intake, a carb, a dist. all the accesories and brackets, waterpump, flywheel, spark plugs, and wires. by the time you get everything to make it run, i could have the 225 bought, rebuilt and wired in.
     
  14. Jul 18, 2006
    neptco19

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    Nope it isnt Mike. Just got a rebuild kit for 300 bucks for a 350 last week for a guy at school. Granted he didnt have to pay for machine work but working off your prices above he'll still be much cheaper ahead. Kit came with everything, valves/timingchain/cam etc...

    You just cant rebuild anything for as cheap as a SB chevy. I had at least 6-700 in my L head build and I didnt do anything special at all to it..
     
  15. Jul 18, 2006
    Mcruff

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    Hate to say this, but where is the $300 carburetor the $200 intake the $25 water pump, the $125-$150 for headers or manifolds, the $200 distributor, the $30 fuel pump and the gaskets to put it together.
    Jason you also got the school price didn't you? Autozone or napa neither one offer a kit for a small block that cheap, at least none I found when we discussed this with a friend awhile back.
    Besides the reason Chevy kits are cheap is that they need rebuilt so often.:D
    Oh and the autozone kit was complete I added aftermarket parts to it, I still have the oil pump kit and the timing set that came with my autozone kit.
     
  16. Jul 18, 2006
    neptco19

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    No thats through a local machine shop and as far as I know thats what they sell them for.
     
  17. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    Yes a chevy would be cheaper than a 225 or an lhead, but you know I dont want a chevy motor in my jeep. I would rather spend more and run a semi unique engine then the chevy that everyone and their dog has in something.
     
  18. Jul 18, 2006
    vanguard

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    These are all things that need to addressed anyways. I think for most of these your not going to be able to or might not want to use the parts from a junkyard motor. Would you go to the all the trouble of machining up a 225, adding a rebuild kit and then re-use the junkyard water pump? Is the carb that's been sitting on the ground or exposed to elements going to be usable? Probably not.

    Other the years when I looked into it, rebuilding the 225 was not any cheaper than a V8 would have been. If your not starting with an existing 225 installation as you did, then its going to cost you as much if not more to convert a 225/231 over a V8. I went with the 231, because I obtained a mix of free parts and a very reasonable reman shortblock on eBay. $200 shortblocks don't come along very often either. As far as the conversion parts go, finding the Buick 225/231 parts was a lot more difficult than finding parts would have been for a V8. In fact, if board members like Beeser, yourself :D and countless other guys weren't so nice I would still be looking for parts.
     
  19. Jul 18, 2006
    rat_ranger

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    I already have the bellhousing adapter, so no tranny to worry about or adapter, I can fab motor mounts fairly easy. You can argue if the effort to install a 225 is worth it over a v8 which could be cheaper, but you know I dont want a v8, and i dont want a chevy v6, and since this will go into a cj2a, an inline 6 is out, so I am gonna do the oh so hard work of dropping a 225 into a jeep that sat for over 20 years and needs a complete rebuild or crate motor no matter what.
     
  20. Jul 18, 2006
    vanguard

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    Sorry. I was mostly discussing the economics of the swap with Mike. If you want a 225, then that's what you should do! :beer:
     

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