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1-wire Generator

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Jrobz23, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. Nov 19, 2017
    1957Willys

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    Theses are found on Toyota's right? Has anyone mounted one on a F134?


     
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  2. Nov 19, 2017
    sterlclan

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    Denso is an Asian part found on many different autos Toyota Nissan and Honda are just a few.
     
  3. Nov 19, 2017
    termin8ed

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    Chrysler uses denso's as well
     
  4. Nov 19, 2017
    termin8ed

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    400 is still a little too much for my plow jeep that i have maybe $50 into it:D
    The option is nice though. I have a second pump setup that has seperate pump and reservoir so i could run an altenator, but the hi-lo pump is nice and simple.
    I had a generator rebuilt when i had wimpy and it worked for a short time then it never did charge right. Finally replaced it.
     
  5. Nov 19, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    I live where there are 4 people per sq mile, seriously, so service options are not readilly available, making rebuilds a no go. Shipping and BS get expensive and these arent really much more than a replacement unit, but could be superior in ever way to the GenSet.

    Seems a 1 vs 3 debate here. Not gonna argue theorhetical ideal vs clean/simple. That’s an apples and oranges debate.

    Seems no one has one of these. I may actually put one on my A-C WD, ironically.
     
  6. Nov 19, 2017
    Glenn

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    I'm a little baffled with the 1 wire discussion. Not too many moons ago the 1 wire was the way to go for our simple old Jeeps and now I'm hearing they're really only good for tractors? What's up with that? o_O:confused:
     
  7. Nov 19, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    IMO old Jeeps are tractors that can go 55 MPH.

    To each their own though.
     
  8. Nov 19, 2017
    Glenn

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    I went with the 1 wire on both CJ's because of the discussion.....they seem fine to me.
     
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    termin8ed

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    Do you have the actual 1 wire or the "1 wire" with the 2 wire connector?
    I thought the 3 wire was considered a 1 wire untill reading the article above. Didnt realize there was a difference.
     
  10. Nov 19, 2017
    termin8ed

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    And i think most of us would be just fine with a true 1 wire glenn. Lights are the only thing on my jeep that would put a big draw on the system and i hardely ever need them
     
  11. Nov 19, 2017
    Glenn

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    I got them at an automotive electrical shop that has been around a long time. He called them 1 wire alternators. The first ones were the ones that had to be revved to start charging, now I have "SA" ones that start charging even when started at idle. These are brand new one wire's. He said they were perfect for vehicles like our old Jeeps.
     
  12. Nov 21, 2017
    Rick Whitson

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    I bought a One Wire off E-Bay for $68.00 shipped. It was re-built in China and chromed, puts out 110 amps, works fine for now. It is on my Garage Art motor, the motor in my Jeep has an auto parts store re- built one wire on it, I never have any trouble with it. After I start my Jeep I gas it up a little and it starts charging and works like any other Alternator. I found a 5/8" pulley for mine so I can use the larger factory belt on it.
     
  13. Nov 21, 2017
    timgr

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    Note that the kit to make a 1-wire from a 3-wire can be easily purchased. These Delco modular alternators are really easy to overhaul, so conversion also should be easy. (I don't see much reason to go 1-wire. You can tie the sense wire right back to the charge wire like Jeep does, and that means there's only 1 more wire to run). Supposedly a 3-wire will work as a 1-wire - tie the sense wire to the charge wire, and leave the field wire floating - but it requires a lot higher RPM to start self-energizing from the residual magnetism in the field steel. I presume the 1-wire electronics uses some special circuit or semiconductors so that the self-energizing starts at a lower voltage. Apparently it still needs to be goosed some before it self-energizes. A 3-wire takes power from the ignition to energize the field at startup, and charges right from start-up.
     
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  14. Nov 21, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    I’ve personally had a field charge wire fail (go go rust belt) and cause a non-charge on a vehicle. Removal of one extra failure point is meaningful gain, I think. It’s just one more thing that can fail.
     
  15. Nov 21, 2017
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    Unless your battery is dead, which is one reason why I'll stick with a generator.
    Another reason is that newer alternators can self-destruct if asked to charge a low battery.
     
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    timgr

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    Embrace the diode! Get in touch with your inner semiconductor! :)

    Really, they used generators in the olden days because there were no semiconductor diodes then. The 3-phase alternator is way more efficient, and your battery has to be 100% flat so that you can't bump start and charge.
     
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    PeteL

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    :D

    But if its about being modern and efficient, why drive jeeps to begin with?
     
  18. Nov 22, 2017
    Jrobz23

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    Getting more done with less is efficiency. Old Jeeps get a ton done without all the crap of newer vehicles lol
     
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    Rick Whitson

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    I see no problem with adding an up grade to my old Jeep, like an alternator, as long as I have the original parts for nostalgia. Almost every old tractor I see at tractor shows has an alternator on them, it is just better than a generator, and it really does not hurt the value of them.
     
  20. Nov 22, 2017
    fhoehle

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    I use 1 wire alternators on all my farm tractors and Jeeps and everything else. When a gen fails I just give it to a friend if they want it. The only one I ever had that worked is still working on the Ford 8n. It knows it would be gone if it gave me nonsense. I just go right to the parts store, even Autozone will have a 1 wire. I just ask for an alternator for an 85 Chevy truck. I do like the way a generator looks on a real restoration though. I can see both sides I guess
     
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