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Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by garage gnome, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. Mar 13, 2011
    garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

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    Today it is 38°F out and I was using the Jalopy to deliver some feed to a neighbor. On the way back, the stupid thing was overheating with the electric fan on. It did cool down eventually, but it took forever. I know during the summer, this thing will be a pain in the a$$, so I want to fix it now while I can. I have a 12" mechanical fan on the engine. Last summer, it didn't do it with a 15" fan. The radiator has the original core in it, so I'm thinking I should get it recored. Maybe my fan is too small? Also, is there a cooler t-stat I could put in the :v6:? It has a 160° one now. I don't want to swap out radiators with a new aluminum one. I like how this one is bottom mounted and makes for easy removal.
     
  2. Mar 13, 2011
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great!

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    Are you sure the thermostat is working properly to begin with?
     
  3. Mar 13, 2011
    duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

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    12" is much too small for a mechanical fan. Put in the largest one that will fit. Mine is 19 1/4". You didn't mention a shroud. If you do not have one, either make or find one that you can fit. My guess is that a good fitting one increases the cooling efficiency by around 40%, mainly from sucking air evenly through the entire core.

    I don't think you want to go any cooler than 160 on the thermostat, and assuming the thermostat is working properly, you will not see any benefit-only worse mileage.
     
  4. Mar 13, 2011
    Bill F

    Bill F Finally running

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    Also check to make sure your radiator cap is good.
     
  5. Mar 13, 2011
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The stock V6 (early) was 14", not you're not real far off. In 38° air temps., you shouldn't even need a fan if you're moving over about 15 MPH.
     
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    duffer

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    Yes, something close to 14", but if I am not mistaken, all the V6's had fiberglass factory shrouds. Makes one hell of a difference.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2011
    garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

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    Don't forget, I have major clearance issues with the lower radiator output. Right now, I have about 1 1/2" clearance between it and the fan. I feel very comfortable with that. I don't have a shroud around it, but I do have one that would work. I am going to replace the t-stat. The PO said he did something to it and, well, we all know how good some PO handy work is. ;)

    p.s. I was driving in 3rd high which is about 30-35 mph.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2011
    w3srl

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    If it was running OK before, start by looking at things that could CHANGE while it was running.

    Top on my list:

    Thermostat opening/closing correctly. They're cheap, replace it while you have it open. 180* unit unless you have extreme high temps in your area.

    Check the lower rad hose for collapsing/obstruction. They sometimes get soft and suck closed under load.

    Coolant level? Proper 50/50 mix? make sure you have all of one type of antifreeze in it, don't mix them!

    Bubbles in the rad, steam out the exhaust? Could be a blown head gasket. Pressure test the cooling system and/or run a compression check.

    HTH. ;)
     
  9. Mar 13, 2011
    garage gnome

    garage gnome ECJ5 welder

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    The t-stat is questionable. So that will be changed. The only thing I changed was the fan from when the tow bar dropped down and tweaked the frame. I had to go with a smaller one. I did have to plug up a hole on the lower output, so maybe there are some boogers inside there. Yep, coolant is all the same and 50/50 mix. No steam out of the exhaust. Never thought of looking to see if there are bubbles in the radiator...
     
  10. Mar 13, 2011
    Warloch

    Warloch Did you say Flattie??? Staff Member

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    Depending on how your engine and rad are mounted you can get closer to the outlet with the fan. I cut a longer one down to fit what I needed... Be sure to account for motor roll if you have it (depening on how your motor is mounted).

    Any air in my older rad and it would run too hot. My new one with cross flow and side tanks is much easier to keep air out of.
     
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    bobo

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    A inexpensive lazer thermo from harbor frt can be very useful for diagnosing heating problems. helps look for hot or cooler spots.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2011
    jeep2003

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    160 might be too cool for it. not allowing the coolant to stay in the radiator long enough to cool it down.
     
  13. Mar 14, 2011
    w3srl

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    I forgot to mention drilling a 1/8" hole in the thermostat helps to bleed the air out from behind it. Lotsa folks have had issues with this with the old F-head and the hole cures the problem.
     
  14. Mar 14, 2011
    Patrick

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    The Dauntless has a bypass hose that does this....
     
  15. Apr 5, 2011
    garage gnome

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    I think I have it solved. My junk 3B appeared out of the snow and I yanked out the fan shroud. I modified it to fit the Jalopy's radiator. Today, I was going down the trail giving it a test run ;) in 1st low and the outside temp. was 37° like when I first posted. It was running between 160-180° with no electric fan!:) Never would have done that before.

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  16. Apr 5, 2011
    thatch 65

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    Rock Auto 1966 Ford Mustang 6 banger rad. less than $200.00 and is copper / brass.
     
  17. Apr 7, 2011
    1960willyscj5

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    When was the last time you flushed that radiator?
    And maybe it needs to be rodded out.
     
  18. Apr 7, 2011
    duffer

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    That shroud should really help, especially with all that stuff out front of the radiator.
     
  19. Apr 9, 2011
    garage gnome

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    Today, I was trail clearing with a friend, and it was fine all day. In the middle part of the day when it was hottest, I needed the electric fan, other than that, I'm not worried. :)

    I flushed it out pretty good when I took it out the first time to fix a hole and then again when I put the shroud on it.
     
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