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Proposed wiring diagram for review

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by burnzee, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

    I am finally about to start the wiring portion of my project. I elected to make my own due to cost and, mostly, because I have several items that are not stock. I.E. voltmeter instead of ampmeter, starter from keyed ingition switch instead of foot switch, alternator instead of generator, etc. I was hoping someone with electrical knowledge could review the attached diagram and let me know if I'm in the right ballpark? Elec/Wiring is my weakest link.

    Thanks

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  2. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

    Sorry that the image didn't load. Let's try again.
     
  3. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    It's kinda hard to read the diagram, for some reason it's coming out very small on my browser. a few points though-

    You should have a wire from the ignition terminal of the starter solinoid to to the coil's + terminal in order to provide full power to the coil when starting.

    Also- are you using an aftermarket gas gauge? The stock unit is *NOT* going to like having 12 volts applied to it, to use the stock setup you'll need a voltage regulator to feed it.


    H.
     
  4. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

    Thanks Howard. I've enlarged the image so it's more easily seen. Would I keep everything as shown and just add a wire between the coil + and the starter solinoid
     
  5. dave74

    dave74 Sponsor

    Also it appears that you have the battery terminal and 2 terminal reversed on your alternator.
     
  6. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

  7. dave74

    dave74 Sponsor

    On the 3 wire Delco alternator you have ; Bat - goes to the battery (via fusible link normally) carries full alternator current
    #1 terminal - idiot light
    #2 terminal - sense line, can be hooked direct to bat terminal functions like one wire alternator or can be connected to distribution point to sense voltage at that point and adjust output of alternator accordingly. Read this article about remote voltage sensing http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/remotevoltagesensing.shtml
    Also oldengine link is saying the same thing that I have just point out, #2 term can be tied to bat term, but is not the optimum setup that being said I have been running that very setup on a vintage tractor for 15 years with no problems but it has no significant electrical load just ignition and starting.
     
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  8. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

    Dave,
    I got mixed up on batt (at alternator) vs. batt (battery)
    I've revised diagram. Does this look right? How does everything else look?
     
  9. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

  10. dave74

    dave74 Sponsor

    That is right for the alternator. Just noticed you have your volt meter hooked up like an ammeter. Should have a + term and a - term. + term can be used as a tie point, the - goes to ground.. I would hook the voltmeter to the acc terminal like you have the fuel gauge that should work fine.
     
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  11. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

  12. dave74

    dave74 Sponsor

    Did an edit of previous post, unless you want voltmeter on all the time.
     
  13. dave74

    dave74 Sponsor

    My goof should not have said to use it as a tie point.
     
  14. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Just add the wire, it will only come into play when starting.

    H.
     
  15. neptco19

    neptco19 That guy....

    If Im looking at it correct, your voltmeter will never be turned off. It needs to be wired through the acc switch. Other than that it looks good.
     
  16. w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

    A 30 amp fuse on the ignition line is too much, the wire will fry long before the fuse will blow. 14 GA wire will handle 15 amps, and that shouldl be more than enough to handle the ignition system.
     
  17. Walt Couch

    Walt Couch sidehill Cordele, Ga. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Word of caution... The term on the volt meter is small and it will heat up. The ON or IGN term on switch is more appropriate due size and ability to dissapate heat. That would be putting all the wires on the pos term of volt meter to the IGN term and running another wire from Volt + to Ign.
     
  18. burnzee

    burnzee 46 CJ2A 225 oddfire

    Well, I think I've proven that I'm not a very bright bulb when it comes to sparkies.

    Anyway, I have taken your comments into consideration and have redone the diagram. I moved the connection points for power to the ignition switch. Provided a ground wire to the voltmeter. And also tied the voltmeter to the acc. terminal so isn't alway getting power.
    Hopefully this is the last go round.

    Thanks so much for the help.

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  19. CO64CJ5

    CO64CJ5 Member

    Maybe just one more try . . .

    The alternator's terminal 2 should connect to your "distribution point". In your case, this would be the ignition switch BATT terminal. You have this connected to the ACC terminal.

    Terminal 2 on the alternator is the "remote sensing" input to the voltage regulator. The voltage regulator will attempt to maintain a constant voltage on this terminal. By connecting it to the ignition switch, it will compensate for any losses in the power wire from the alternator.

    I don't know what might happen if you were to switch this line (as your latest diagram shows), but it might not be a good thing. Could even be bad.
     
  20. CO64CJ5

    CO64CJ5 Member

    One other point . . .

    If the voltage regulator maintains the BATT terminal at 14.2 volts, and if you have significant voltage drop in the wire from the alternator to the BATT terminal (such as might happen if you have your lights on), the voltage at the battery will be significantly higher than 14.2 volts, which would be bad for the battery.

    For example (referring to your diagram), if you drop 2 volts between the battery and the BATT terminal, the voltage regulator will make the alternator put out 16.2 volts to maintain the BATT terminal at 14.2. This 16.2 volts will be applied to the battery. This may be an extreme example (depending on the guage of the wire and how many lights you have), but your battery will be happier if it doesn't see these excessive voltages.

    A better way would be to run a heavy (8 ga.) wire from the alternator to a distribution point (the ignition switch BATT terminal is OK), run the remote sensing wire to this point, then run another heavy wire back to the battery. In your diagram, this would mean the wire from the alternator to the battery would instead be connected to the BATT terminal.

    For safety reasons, fusible links would be a good idea. All things considered, you would probably be better off putting a distribution point under the hood and not running quite so much power under the dash.