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need help ive got no oil pressure

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by flipmeover55, Dec 30, 2007.

  1. Dec 30, 2007
    flipmeover55

    flipmeover55 New Member

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    i just rebuilt my f head, and after a few test cranks for short times ive realized that im not getting any oil flow to my passages. i did a few searches on here to find any info but i didnt find anyhting to help. i pulled my pump back off to see if any oil was in it. didnt see any so i used a oil can to put oil in it. ran for about 30 seconds and still no ressure. i havent ran thr engine more than 30 seconds at a time b/c of feart of damage w/o oil pressure. am i not running it long enough or do i need to prime it some way or is there anything i can do to get oil flowing.
    (i checked the pump when engine was torn down. according to the haynes rm my pump was good w/ good clearences and as i pumped it by hand it pumped oil. just doesnt seem like oil is getting to the pump.)
     
  2. Dec 31, 2007
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Well, if you primed it & it still isn't picking up then it could be a problem with the pickup.

    You did remenber to put the pickup back in, didn't you?:twisted:

    Did you put the gasket in where the pickup bolts to the block?

    Is the pickup clogged up?

    Oil in the pan?

    Is the pump turning?

    Will Lassie make it to the farm before the old mine caves in trapping little Timmy Forever???

    Enquiring Minds Want To Know-

    H.:)
     
  3. Dec 31, 2007
    Walt Couch

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    Read thru on F head oil pump but it didnt say anything about packing vasaline around gears like I had to do on my 225? Sorry no help.
     
  4. Dec 31, 2007
    flipmeover55

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    yes i did install the p/u w/ a gasket and i cleaned it before the install. i have put 5 quarts of oil in it. i know the pump is turning b/c the engine starts and runs b/c the distributor is turned by the oil pump. someone suggested a whole in the p/u tube and it losing prime but i couldnt thinhk of a way to test other than replacement. im kinda outa ideas and im scared to run it anymore w/o evidence of oil pressure.
     
  5. Dec 31, 2007
    w3srl

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    Is your gauge electrical or mechanical? Wouldn't be the first electrical gauge that didn't work on a new installation..
     
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  6. Dec 31, 2007
    CJjunk

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    Once I rebuildt a Chevy V-6 and didn't put the brass plugs in behind the upper timing gear and had that happen. I had like 6 lbs. presusure even after I had opened up the oil pump and filled it with vasoline to prime it.
     
  7. Dec 31, 2007
    flipmeover55

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    the guage is mechanical.
     
  8. Dec 31, 2007
    flipmeover55

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    had the machine shop worry about any plugs of that sort
     
  9. Dec 31, 2007
    Glenn

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    I wouldn't start it again until you definitely have oil pressure. You should be able to get noticeable pressure on the gauge by just turning the engine over with the starter. I'd unhook the gauge line at the block and try spinning it over to check for oil flow.
     
  10. Dec 31, 2007
    flipmeover55

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    unhooked the line from the block to check for flow but its not reaching the hole with or without the gauge pressure line
     
  11. Jan 1, 2008
    w3srl

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    Before you tear the engine apart again, I'd check that oil pump again. I've never been a particularly big fan of the "pack it full of vaseline" idea just because I've seen it not prime on occasion, just like this one.

    Drop the oil pump off the engine and submerse the whole thing in a container of SAE30 oil. Gently spin the pump by hand several rotations in each direction and you should see it pump. Lift it out of the container and install it without draining the oil out of it. When you crank the engine, leave the coil wire off and pull the plugs so you can get some good spin on it without firing. Watch the pressure gauge as you crank it and you should see a measurable oil pressure reading or something else is wrong.
     
  12. Jan 2, 2008
    flipmeover55

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    im gonna check the p/u tube ive gotta feeling its stopped up. the more i think aout it the more my gut tells me to pull the pan. should i e runnig sae30 in the engine. the guys at napa told me to run 10w30. could the oil type be part of the problem?
     
  13. Jan 2, 2008
    w3srl

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    I wouldn't think so, but remember these machines were built before multi-viscosity and high-detergent oils were commonly available.

    When I was into racing, the engine builders all told me the only reason NOT to run straight SAE 50 wt oil in a street/strip car was because you had to change it every 1000 miles and it would be harder to start in cold temps. My cars never saw 1000 miles a year or anything colder than about 50* so it was no big deal then. YMMV. ;)
     
  14. Jan 2, 2008
    flipmeover55

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    alrighty, i just pulled the oil pan and noticed something i didnt see before. on the inside of the block where the oil pump connects to the block there is the cast tube that attaches to the p/u and runs along side teh driversie of the block. about centered up w/ the oil pump there is a allen head plug installed in a hole. im not sure if its factory or if my machinist installed it when he did the work. the plug is just like the ones installed on the outside of the block where the other plugs are installed i/e oil pressure. so my question is can the plug be removed and can this be my problem
     
  15. Jan 2, 2008
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Theres 3 or 4 of those plugs if you look for them, they're at the ends of oil galleries that were drilled into the block at the factory. If one of them was removed by the rebuilders for block cleaning & not replaced that could certainly be your problem.

    H.
     
  16. Jan 2, 2008
    w3srl

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    :iagree:

    Inside the front cover there is also a big hex-bolt looking doodad that has a tiny orifice bore into one side; this is the oil supply port for the timing gears and if it is missing the oil pressure will be very low due to the lack of restriction. The timing gears get their lubrication from a passage in the front main bearing, the screw-in orifice should point toward the timing gears.
     
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  17. Jan 3, 2008
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    FWIW a drawing.

    [​IMG]

    Looking at this it would appear the plugs I mentioned are there to seal the feeds drilled for the camshaft journals. Even if one or more is missing or the timing gear oiler is missing as Steve suggested there should at least be oil making it into the main gallery. If you've pulled the fittings from the side of the block either at the pressure sensor, the line to the head or the feed to the filter & nothing is coming out at all I'd be inclined to say that theres no oil at all getting into the main gallery.

    So-

    the pump isn't pumping

    or

    the pressure relief is stuck wide open

    or

    the pump is sucking air

    or

    No oil is getting to the pump to be pumped


    H.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2008
    flipmeover55

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    alright ive finally got oil npressure whoo hoooh. it was the plug that was left out. that was a big sigh of relief. thanx for all the assistance you guys are great
     
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