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Mystery hole...Starter?

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by sammy, Oct 7, 2007.

  1. Oct 7, 2007
    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    So I cut the front bumper off, it was too hacked up. And in the rear, welded over seems to be a hole, around 1" big. I've seen numerous early JEEP's with this hole.
    On my engine on one of the pullys nut that's on the crank, the nut has a bar across it. Putting 2 and 2 together in the ol' cage I can only speculate this is for a hand crank starter. Am I right? If so... Does someone have one I could see a picture of? I know they're dangerous, I'm just thinking for the uh oh bad starter moments it may be handy.
    Thanks
     
  2. Oct 7, 2007
    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    Oh, and I know of pop starting too.
     
  3. Oct 7, 2007
    fourtrail

    fourtrail Built not Bought

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    The hole in the rear bumper would have been for pto or possible a rotating pintle. Not sure on the hand crank.
     
  4. Oct 7, 2007
    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    I just re-read what I posted... I meant in the rear of the front bumper covered up :oops: long day today
     
  5. Oct 8, 2007
    dunedog71

    dunedog71 Flat Fenders Forever

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    Ya, you could get a hand crank for the engine, never used one i'm sure is not dangerous or Ralph Nator would have had somthing to say about it.
     
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  6. Oct 8, 2007
    w3srl

    w3srl All-around swell dude Staff Member

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    The hole in the front bumper is indeed for a hand crank, the pin engaged in a 1/4-turn mechanism so that the crank would automatically disengage as soon as the engine fired over. Stll dangerous, but nearly as much so as engaging a socket over the nut! :shock:

    IIRC, the WWII-vintage MB and GPW had such a crank in their issued tool kit, but I don't think that carried over to the CJs.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2007
    Jeepman252

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    X2 (or 3?) on the hand crank hole.

    hand cranking is really not as bad as everyone thinks. We did it on the farm with 3 of our tractors regularly and I still do with the tractor I have now. With a 6 volt system, you just don't get the spin on the starter that you do with 12 volts. I can actually spin my tractor with the crank faster than I can turn it over with the starter.

    Its all in the technique. You only put one hand on the crank (right hand) and you put ALL your fingers (and especially your thumb) on the outside of the handle. Never grip the handle like a baseball bat with the thumb wrapped around it. If it does "kick back" and your thumb is wrapped around, you will never do it again. I have heard of broken thumbs because of it. If you keep your thumb on the outside and it kicks back, you hand will slide off and you can try again. :)
     
  8. Oct 8, 2007
    jeepfreak81

    jeepfreak81 When in Doubt, Pedal out!

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    My grandfather told me the same thing about his old tractor... R)
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007
    Gwillys

    Gwillys 1953 CJ3B

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    now the question should be can you find one of these hand crank starters?
     
  10. Oct 8, 2007
    Boyink

    Boyink Super Moderator Staff Member

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    At the recent cruise-in I took the boy to we had fun watching a couple re-start their old car (not sure what was).

    They had it well-choreographed, which was good as they were in traffic. He got out, she slid over, he did the cranking, she tended the choke/gas (or timing maybe?), they get it fired up, he puts away the crank and slides back into the seat as she slides back to the passenger side.

    Not sure how he'd have done it alone...:)
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007
    Jeepman252

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    Thats what's nice about the ol CJ - there is the hand throttle cable to set the R's up a bit. That makes it easier to hand crank. I always set my tractor around 1/2 throttle and 1/4 choke when cold. Most times it'll start on the first spin, 99% of the time by the 2nd spin! :)
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007
    sammy

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    Neat! Well I heard the "broken up bodies" stories of Model T's but never thought of a tractor, I suppose they were the main users too.
    My engine is indeed an MB engine so it does have that bar. No one wanted the engine, I advertised for it, so it's staying with me. Leads me to want the crank starter.

    Oh, and, Steve, I was gonna test compression with a socket and wrench R)
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007
    Fnord5

    Fnord5 El Jeepo Gigantico!

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    If you had used a ratchet, wouldn't the socket just have spun if it caught/started? It would seem that it would be the safest way to actually use a hand crank.
     
  14. Oct 8, 2007
    sammy

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    I had no battery/ carb/manifolds/ dist, so it would have been a feat of epic proportions if it had started R)
    But it turns out you can run a 6v starter with a 12v.
     
  15. Oct 9, 2007
    CJ-X

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    I have a crank handle for my MB. It is also freshly rebuilt, so it has good compression. I like to crank start it. You only have to crank 1/4 turn. Don't forget to pump the gas and turn the ignition on first though!
     
  16. Oct 9, 2007
    sammy

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    BTDT with a chansaw :oops:
    My engines an MB like I said and its gonna get rebuilt hopefully this month, so it should work.
    May I see a picture of the starter?
     
  17. Oct 21, 2007
    CJ-X

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    Sorry for the delay , here are some pics.

    First you need to have this nut on your crankshaft pulley. (This our GPW engine)
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    Crank handle installed in the MB.
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