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Shackle Replacement - old bushings stuck! -help-

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by PatchyCJ5, Sep 23, 2007.

  1. Sep 23, 2007
    PatchyCJ5

    PatchyCJ5 Toledo Steel

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    Hi everyone. Getting frustrated on this project. I bought some heavy duty greasable shackles from 4wd hardware. I love the way they look, and would love to have them on some day. I removed the old shackles and bushings. Only thing is that the bronze bushings on the new set seem to be a bit too big for the holes on the spring hanger and leaf springs. It appears that the old bushings that fell apart as I pushed them out may have left the outer sleaves are still ceased in there. Atleast thats my suspicion. If these are sleeves for the old bushings, are they made of steel, brass? Could I cut them out with a deburring wheel or hacksaw? Ive included some pictures. The sleeve im talking about is clearer in the leaf spring, and theres also another one on the spring hanger. Are these parts of the vehicle, or are they part of the old bushings?

    Ive tried banging them off with punches and impact sockets.


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    The catalog said the HD Shackles I bought would fit...:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:!
     
  2. Sep 23, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    the old bushing would have been made up of the inner sleeve, the rubber, then the outer shell; if you didn't get three pieces out of each hole, then the outer shell most likley is still in there.
    From the pics, the best route may be the hacksaw blade; take the blade out of the saw and cut 90* into the outer shell; you then can use a punch to collapse it and pull it out of there.
     
  3. Sep 23, 2007
    PatchyCJ5

    PatchyCJ5 Toledo Steel

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    JPFlat, thank you so much for the tip. I hacked it for about a min. And with a few taps of the ballpeen and a punch it slid right out. I owe you a cold one dude, thank you so much. 3 shackles to go.. Thanks again!!! :beer::beer::beer:
     
  4. Sep 23, 2007
    farfle

    farfle old dog

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    Sawzall in place of the hacksaw will make very short work of removing the outer sleeves, should you have one handy. I found the hacksaw method unduly tedious, but it'll work. I made two cuts with the sawzall about 3/4" apart, made it really easy to colapse the sleeve wih a hammer and a screwdriver. YMMV.
     
  5. Sep 23, 2007
    PatchyCJ5

    PatchyCJ5 Toledo Steel

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    Got one of them on! The second kit is incomplete. Missing the bronze bushings... gonna have to call the seller. Thats two things messed up on my order. I have been wanting a sawsall for the longest, but everytime I go buy it, I see another tool I like and get it instead, thinking I wont be needing the sawsall again for a long time. I would send a pic, but the website is 'failing' the upload. Thanks again for all your help.
     
  6. Sep 23, 2007
    mossyoaksilverado

    mossyoaksilverado New Member

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    Now I see what im in for with my shackles. YEEEA!!!! R)
     
  7. Sep 24, 2007
    stalin440

    stalin440 member

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    just for future reference: to remove the old bushing, take a propane torch and heat it till rubber catches fire. the heat expands the rubber so quickly that it pushes it out. after it's burned a minute or 2, one tap with a punch and hammer and its done. keep in mind you are starting a pretty good fire on your jeep so take the necessary precautions. its probably not the correct way but it works well and very fast:beer:
     
  8. Sep 24, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Regarding that outer metal sleeve/shell... the first one I ever encountered took me almost 2 hours to remove. :mad:
    Once I figured out the hacksaw-blade-through-the-hole-then-reassembled thing... it took me 5 minutes per sleeve. :)
     
  9. Sep 24, 2007
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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  10. Sep 24, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    three in one tool from Harbor Freight: you can also use it to change u-joints.....
     
  11. Sep 24, 2007
    AJH

    AJH New Member

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    Patchy I have the same problem with my front bushings. They are stuck to no end. I spent an entire weekend trying to press them out to no evail. I'll have to try the hack saw method, thanks for the tip. I'll let you know how it goes. You can get new bushings for $2 at Krages.
     
  12. Sep 24, 2007
    Strider380

    Strider380 Can I have a zip tie?

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    Use a sawzall, I promise

    I wrote this because I thought I had found the most efficient way to change a bushing. Went from struggling all day with one to changing them all very quickly.
     
  13. Sep 24, 2007
    Strider380

    Strider380 Can I have a zip tie?

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  14. Sep 24, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Shoot, I went to bed mad, woke up mad, worked on the Jeep mad, then a friend of mine told me the hacksaw blade trick. R)

    I didn't have this page at my disposal. :rofl:
     
  15. Sep 24, 2007
    PatchyCJ5

    PatchyCJ5 Toledo Steel

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    Ive been wanting to try that tool. Cheap alternative to a hydraulic press for u-joints.
     
  16. Sep 24, 2007
    Homebrew2

    Homebrew2 Member

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    Boy, am I old. I've changed ujoints in a vice since ... umm, forever. :oops:
     
  17. Sep 26, 2007
    AJH

    AJH New Member

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    Hey everybody. I tried the hacksaw trick at lunch today. It took me 10 min to press out the center, hack the outer sleeve and pop it out! Piece of cake! Wish I knew about this trick a couple of months ago. Thanks for the tip :beer:
     
  18. Sep 26, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    That's odd, it seems to come up here at least once a month it seems. ;) R) :)
     
  19. Sep 27, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    :D

    When that center rubber is stuck, I've taken a long drill bit and drilled through the rubber all around the center sleeve, maybe 8 holes around it... that relieves enough of the rubber that it's easy to dig out after that. Once the rubber and center sleeve are out, a couple minutes with the hacksaw trick... 8)

    Strider, the only reason I prefer the hacksaw to the sawzall for this job is so I don't over-cut and end up cutting into the spring eye or fixed mount... which then requires a filing/smoothing operation... if you're precise enough with the sawzall, I'm sure it's quick and effective :)
     
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  20. Sep 27, 2007
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    My way: knock out the inner steel with bfh/punch. use a torch with smallest cutting tip you have and cut a slot in the outer. work fast and just the bushing will be cut. the using a punch tap out the remains with the bfh/punch. will take about 5 min with some practice.

    when you install the new bushing coat the outer shell with never-sieze to make it easier to remove next time.
     
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