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front spindle nuts

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by evanjm, Sep 15, 2007.

  1. Sep 15, 2007
    evanjm

    evanjm Yeah, it's got an F-head.

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    how tight are you supposed to tighten those 2 front spindle nuts? mine seem to keep comming loose and I end up burnin' up the bearings costing me mucho $$...

    - evan
     
  2. Sep 15, 2007
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Tighten down until you feel drag, then back it off a 1/4 turn IIRC.

    FSM has the instructions in it. :)
     
  3. Sep 15, 2007
    Posimoto

    Posimoto Hopeless JEEP Addict

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    I adjust the bearings as Sparky posted, then tighten the jam nut to about 75lbs.
     
  4. Sep 15, 2007
    crazy4ink

    crazy4ink New Member

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    My TJ kept doing that on one side after I swapped in my full width D44. Turns out that the nipple that engaged the locking ring in bewteen the two nuts had broken off, so the lock nut wasn't able to do it's job. Might be something to look at.
     
  5. Sep 15, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Once you bend the tabs on the washers they should never come loose!!
     
  6. Sep 16, 2007
    scott milliner

    scott milliner Master Fabricator

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    I've also seen a ring instead of the lock nut. It had a allen set screw that screwed into holes in the washer between the nut and ring. maybe that was only on the D-25? :?
     
  7. Sep 16, 2007
    sammy

    sammy Coca-Cola?

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    And, why, yes this text is big :)
    I've not seen my spindle nuts, but no castle nuts/cotter pins?
     
  8. Sep 16, 2007
    JeepTherapy

    JeepTherapy Sponsor

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    I tighten mine until I feel significant drag spinning the tire. Keeping the tire spinning the whole time I am tightening. Then back it off and tighten it a little past hand tight. Then install the locking tab washer and lock nut. Not sure what torque spec it is but I would say I am close to the 75lbs that someone mentioned.

    The first step of tightening while spinning the tire is important to properly seat the bearings and races. I have quit bending the locktab over the lock nut and haven't had one come loose between cleanings. I probably clean them twice a season. More if I have been sitting in water or mud.
     
  9. Sep 16, 2007
    jeep67

    jeep67 Member

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    I would like to caution you on not bending the lock ring tabs over. I had a set that were worn out by being straightened then bent several times over. As a result, the lock ring didn't have much strength in the tab, the tab broke, and both spindle nuts backed off the spindle causing the whole tire, hub, etc. loosened on my FRONT axle (driver side). Fortunately when it happened I was going about 3 mph through a water bar and no real damage was done, the tire just got wedged on the spindle at about a 25 degree angle. The snap ring on the end of the axle got a little tweaked, but I think it prevented the tire from coming completely off the spindle. I cringe at the thought of the tire coming off at speed. As a preventative measure, I have replaced all four lock rings (FF installed) and I try not to bend the ring over in the same location. Haven't had any problems since.
     
  10. Sep 16, 2007
    Strider380

    Strider380 Can I have a zip tie?

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    If i remeber correctly, its 50 ft lbs, then you back 1/4 turn. My bearings kept coming loose. I think its because I always used a hammer and a chiesel to tighten them, and that dosn't really seat the bearings like 50 ft lbs would. So slop kept developing. I know, I know... the spindle socket is the next thing on my list.
     
  11. Sep 17, 2007
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    For the D30, you tighten the inner nut to 50 ftlbs, then back it off one turn (to seat the bearing, spin tire to check seating). Then retighten the inner nut to 50 ft/lbs, and back it off 1/6 turn (one flat).
    Tighten the outer nut to 50 ft lbs.
     
  12. Sep 17, 2007
    Brad Rabideau

    Brad Rabideau more Jeeps than sense...

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    I just went through my wheel bearings. When I replaced the bearings, nuts, and washers 4-5 years ago I did not bend the washers. Everything was in good shape when I pulled it apart this time. Put everything back together the same way.
     
  13. Sep 17, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    the washer and nut set I got recently did not have bend tabs on the washers.
     
  14. Sep 17, 2007
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    they don't
    you bend the washer over one of the flats of the outer nut
    they don't come pre-formed or pre-bent
    those that are not bending the washer over are making a mistake in my opinion
    it's done for a very good reason;)
     
  15. Sep 17, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    There are no bend tabs on the washer you simply bend the edge of the washer over the outer nut in 2 places, this way the nut cannot come loose at all.

    And Brad as for the washer not being bent and you replaced it that way doesn't make it right or safe, even after 4 years. It only take once for the nut to come loose to kill you and some innocent bystander!!
    Please take the time to fix this the right way before you or someone else, maybe a loved one is a statistic.;)
     
  16. Sep 17, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    so, you just bend the washer over at a couple of spots? using what sort of tool? going to put on the hubs this week, so this is timely.
     
  17. Sep 17, 2007
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Take a screw driver (carefully) and slip it in beside the washer edge and pull it back toward you, once it starts to bend, it will bend easily, then just push it up against a flat on the outer nut. Be carefull as to wear you place the screw driver, try it near one of the hubs bolts as this is the thickest part of the hub and they can crack if done to hard.
     
  18. Sep 17, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    as usual, you are a wealth of information, Mcruff: thank you :)
     
  19. Sep 17, 2007
    AKCJ

    AKCJ Active Member

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    Just did this and that's what the book said.
     
  20. Sep 17, 2007
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

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    that washer is certainly hard to bend. should it bend over almost 90 degrees against the nut flat? I didn't want to prise too hard and crack the hub.. the washer is fairly thick.
     
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