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Firewall Patch Panel Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Biggyniner, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. Feb 3, 2018
    Biggyniner

    Biggyniner Member

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    Hey guys,

    New to doing any sort of body work / patch panels. My rebuilt Dauntless is just about to come home from the machine shop and I need to do some work on the Firewall. The PO(s) put about 4 - 5 different holes in for the various heater cores that were used over its life. My plan is to cut out a square around these holes and replace with a new piece of sheet metal.

    Two questions:

    1.) what guage of sheet metal is the stock firewall?
    2.) where is the best place to get/order patch panels?

    Thanks for your help!
     
  2. Feb 3, 2018
    Rick Whitson

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    If I were you I would make square patches and stich weld them inside the firewall, that way you could finish them off with body filler if that is what you want. I replaced my firewall, with the one off the donor Jeep.[​IMG][​IMG]
     
  3. Feb 3, 2018
    mike starck

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    I did this very thing on my cj5.I used 18 ga. IMG_0095_6.JPG

    Filled all holes . after body and paint. also filled holes in inner fender panels IMG_0121 (Small).JPG
     
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  4. Feb 4, 2018
    Rick Whitson

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    WOW, very nice, Beautiful. you must have had that welder turned all the way down. I recommended overlay patches because I thought it would be easier for a inexperienced welder. You Jeep is "Garage Art", at it's best. I would like to see more of that Jeep Mike, thanks for sharing.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2018
    mike starck

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    Thanks Rick, not a expert but I run .023 wire on pretty low setting for sheet metal. Good control at least for me.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2018
    Steve's 70-5

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    Get Cold Rolled metal. Finishes better, but will be harder to bend.
     
  7. Feb 5, 2018
    Rick Whitson

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    I have a Miller 180 with .023 wire, my problem is at 72 I have to practice on scrap until I get settled down or warmed up enough to actually weld on my project. As an Ironworker we had to have a welding License to weld on projects, but stick welding on girders is a lot different than welding 16- 18 gage sheet metal.
     
  8. Feb 24, 2018
    tomasinator

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    This thread came up just in time for me because I had to do the same thing, cut out a section of the holed-up firewall and weld in a new panel. I'm a total beginner and this was my first attempt welding sheet metal.

    The obvious problem in my '68 tub:
    [​IMG]

    I made a cardboard template that would cover the majority of the holes:
    [​IMG]

    I prepared to cut out the cancerous area:
    [​IMG]

    I used a sawzall to make the cut, but it was hard to keep the blade going straight. Next time, I'm just going to use a cutting disc in a grinder.
    [​IMG]

    I had to go buy a sheet of 16g steel. I cut out the patch panel with a cutting disc in a grinder:
    [​IMG]

    Harbor Freight clamp things holding the panel in place:
    [​IMG]

    Panel tacked in place:
    [​IMG]

    Being a complete novice, I just kept going around and around with dots until all the dots connected. Sort of looks like Frankenstein, but now I should be able to install an Advance Adapters swinging pedal kit:
    [​IMG]

    I guess this is all warm-up for replacing the floor pans.
     
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  9. Feb 24, 2018
    jeepstar

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    Id like to see your swinging pedal install!
     
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  10. Feb 24, 2018
    tomasinator

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    I forgot the most important part of the whole firewall replacement. ITLKSEZ talked me through the whole operation, like a pilot on the ground talking a passenger in a plane into successfully landing a 747.
     
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  11. Feb 25, 2018
    sterlclan

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    nothing to be ashamed of there,grind,sand ,fill,paint. it looks like it didn't warp which is the most important thing.well next to being welded.
     
  12. Feb 25, 2018
    Renegade ll

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    Man that is some great work!
     
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  13. Feb 25, 2018
    Mark Wahlster

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    I have found that a little Saber saw with a Lenox 24t Bi Metal blade does a wonderful job on stuff like this as long as you have clearance for the foot of the saw to rest against the metal you are cutting.

    I even made two 4' log cuts in .090T 3x4 rectangular tubing to make a new bumper. Came out so straight a little draw filing and it was golden. Yes it took a while but it worked really well. So much less clean up time.
     
  14. Feb 25, 2018
    ITLKSEZ

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    Hey, you have more skills than you give yourself credit for. (y)
     
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