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Fiberglass tub install... suggestions

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by prichmon, Apr 19, 2016.

  1. Apr 19, 2016
    prichmon

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    I am finally to the stage of test fitting the 4wd tub to the chassis. The install kit I purchased from 4wd says for 1976+. After comparing frames there's very limited amount of material I can use without mod to the frame or chassis.

    Fiberglass Body Mounting Kit

    The horizontal L plates are supposed to go on the mount pads of the frame and accommodate 3 mounts each side rather than the 2 factory. Unfortunately the '64 is asymmetrical with 2 on 1 side and 1 on the other. I am toying with the idea of buying/making an additional 1 to make the frame symmetrical.

    I have no idea how to cut the roll rubber for use. My reading indicates a hand or power saw with mixed results for the accuracy of the cuts.

    The brackets and strip metal are ok I think for vertical brackets and fender reinforcement. 8 of the bolts are REAL long so I can just cut them off if there's too much material.

    I see a possible 10 mounting points for the tub to mount; 3 each side of mid frame and 4 in the rear area. 2 mount points out of frame 2 along rear cross member.

    Did all cj5 frames come with the diagonal braces in the rear section of the tub? Mine doesn't have them and I don't recall what the rear hitch brace bolted to? It made a sandwich of the body by a bracket on the inside and the hitch on the out.

    Is there an easy and accurate way to cut the roll rubber or should I go with body pucks and shims?? Is 10 mount points excessive?

    Any suggestions on what to work from for squaring the body on the frame? I started at the grill and assembled backward with the tailgate ending essentially even rear bumper. I'm not exactly sure what to measure from and to for placement to start the hole drilling.

    Thanks guys..

    Rich
     
  2. Apr 20, 2016
    Vanguard

    Vanguard Take Off! Staff Member

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    My recommendation would be to return that kit. The rubber is extremely difficult to cut. I used the 4wd kit when I first installed my tub and it was a complete PITA. Even using a horizontal bandsaw I could not get the rubber cut straight. I also wouldn't trust Omix hardware on Barbie jeep.

    When I removed the tube about 10 years later for an engine conversion, I replaced the poorly cut rubber with official NHL hockey pucks. In terms of the mounting points use as many of the original points as you can and use grade 8 hardware. IIRC I used grade 8 3/8 bolts with a similar grade 8 fender washers on the inside of the tub and large washers, with a lock washer and lock-nuts under the frame.

    I had four mounting points in the tub - one in each front footwell, two in the rear cargo area and one at the front of the frame for the grill. 4WD Hardware also recommended using several across the rear crossmember, but the tub didn't have embedded nuts and I could not find a way to add or drill the rear tub support in a way that would make me happy.

    If you don't like the hockey pucks, then look for a set of Energy Suspension poly bushings on Amazon. I believe they have several reasonably priced sets with more than enough pucks to mount your tub. I choose the hockey pucks because I felt the rubber would be softer and more forgiving on the fiberglass.

    In terms of placement. Place the tub on the frame add the fenders and grill and make sure you've got it the right place before drilling. Check carefully at least twice before drilling. Don't ask. :) Well actually, I had my frame repaired and the rear crossmember was replaced with a piece of 3/8" angle. I think it ended up lengthening the frame by about 1/2".
     
  3. Apr 20, 2016
    prichmon

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    I ordered NHL regulation hockey pucks from Dick's sporting goods today. A 12 pack of A&R pucks was $20. I bought a set of energy poly mounts but read to avoid them due to crack issues.

    It looks like I'm stuck with the kit... I bought it ~1 year ago.

    What did you measure from/to for placement? The front is "captured" by the grill mount The back should sit against the hitch and over the bumper. Maybe from frame to outer tube side on each side and center it for the back? On the front just center the bolt in the hole?

    I have read some people put a thin rubber strip between tub and fender mount and a metal strip for the bolts to pass through on the fender side. Are these necessary or just precautionary?

    My factory tub had 8 vertical mounting points excluding the grill. I will use button head socket bolts grade 8 3/8" diameter. When I pulled the tub I thought someone had improvised cushions since I found a slew of what I thought were conveyor belt pieces and a wood block. I have since been educated that these were probably the original style mounts.

    My frame doesn't have the diagonals to the plate above the rear bumper where the hitch bolts pass through and sandwiches the rear bulkhead of the tub. My frame is completely open. A PO has installed a rear tank from a later model. I don't see what the tank is supposed to press against... the bottom of the tub maybe?

    Like the diagonals and rear plate in the following photo:
    http://www.ewillys.com/wp-content/uploads2/2010/04/tire-carrier3.jpg

    Or Post 10... I have no part D:
    error in early CJ5/6 frame diagram?

    Actually I haven't seen any other early cj with this style frame...
     
  4. Apr 21, 2016
    Vanguard

    Vanguard Take Off! Staff Member

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    When I installed my tub, I started by aligning the rear of the tub with the back of the rear cross member. Due to the replacement piece, this left me somewhere between a half to a full inch out at the front. If I was doing it again, I base my tub placement using the front grill mount.

    I wouldn't worry about the diagonals, it's normal to have them removed from an early frame when fitting a rear mounted tank. I believe the factory did the same thing when they switched.

    Try to use as many of the factory mounting points as you can and you should be fine. Keep in mind that the frame did change over the years somewhat as well, so your frame may not have come with the 'D' mounting point shown on the linked diagram.
     
  5. Apr 21, 2016
    mortten

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    I got caught in that mounting the tub first issue. Alway mount the grill and fenders first. Then fit the tub to them. I have a couple extra hole because of that.
     
  6. Apr 21, 2016
    sterlclan

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    I use a metal chop saw to cut the rubber. bonus it smells like the dragway
     
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  7. May 5, 2016
    aallison

    aallison 74 cj6, 76 cj5. Has anyone seen my screwdriver?

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    I found some boat rollers made of hard rubber. They also come in a clear. Holes already drilled and just need to be cut to length...I also used a chop saw. Cut them very straight and very fast.
     
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  8. May 6, 2016
    jim warren

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    I used a chop saw to cut the roll rubber. I stuck a dowel in the hole so my fingers were away from the blade. I also used some pieces of boat roller that I had around. It seemed to be a better product.

    I started my measurements from the grill mount. I used an old steel hood and grill. I could not get the fiberglass hood to fit right. Besides I like the feel of an old hood. The hardest part was lining up the fenders to the right elevation in relation to the hood and grill.

    I painted the body and have one regret. I wish i had shot a gloss guide coat because the surfaces were wavy. Had I have seen it beforehand I could have used a filler to level the surfaces. I have no idea what brand the body is. I bought from a buddy who had it in his barn for years and he bought from someone who didn't finish the project.
     
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