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Over excited mistake #2

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Cj1970, May 11, 2015.

  1. May 11, 2015
    Cj1970

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    Well... After rewiring dash , lights, and ignition switch, I added a soft top and changed all the lights except front turn/ park lights. I decided to pull an all nighter.. Well since I am posting here you all know it didn't go well.:mad: The jeep would only start on full choke. Like a dummy I drained a battery and a half trying. Turns out the carb needs some time and a rebuild. But while trying to start the seafoam infused gas was running raw into the motor. When I quit I looked under the jeep I notice this nice drip of gas / motor oil mix. This has me worried! I am thinking I will have to replace oil pan gasket and of course change oil. What else might I have ruined?
     
  2. May 11, 2015
    Glenn

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    Did you actually have it running? You can only hope you didn't wipe or score all of the internals......cylinder walls, rings, crank, rod, camshaft bearings? Where was it dripping from? Did you pull the dipstick? How much is actually in the crankcase?
     
  3. May 12, 2015
    Cj1970

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    About 2 quarts. It never ran for more than 5 to 10 seconds.
     
  4. May 12, 2015
    duffer

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    My best guess is it will be fine with an oil change. If it had ran several minutes, there could have been a problem but even then, most of the fluid in the crankcase was probably oil-just very diluted oil. And it didn't have time to build any temperature.
     
  5. May 12, 2015
    Glenn

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    I agree with Duffer. I was a bit concerned by the original description and the fact about how long it must have been turning over since you discharged a battery doing so. Where was it actually dripping from? That's a new one to me, it shouldn't have been dripping like that.
     
  6. May 12, 2015
    Cj1970

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    New one for me also. From the back side of oil pan. I decided to pull valve covers and oil pan. See if I got benefits of some sludge cleanup. I have heard of people using seafoam in Motor oil. I have never done it. Carb is in ultrasonic and hopeing be back by Wednesday. I think I am just going to run some break in oil for 250 miles and change just in case. Suggestions?
     
  7. May 12, 2015
    duffer

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    Probably not necessary. The only benefits from "break in" oil is usually more zinc content for running cam and lifters in. Will likely be of minimal benefit in this case and I would just use "normal" oil which in my case is usually 15-40 that gets used in everything else-diesel tractors or the Willys.
     
  8. May 12, 2015
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    I once witnessed a lengthy argument about "diesel" oil vs regular gas oil. What i came away with was that my uncles were idiots and would fight with each other about the color of dirt and yell at the wind and that I guess diesel oil is a low ash oil that might be a higher grade than regular gas only oil. I am sure that someone would throw a can of oil at my head for saying that but whatevs.. For a higher zinc additive I used a pint of STP. its right there in the snake oil section of the auto store. I never put additives in, but it did have a bunch of zinc so i figured it wouldn't hurt.
     
  9. May 13, 2015
    WorkInProgress

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    Is the oil leak coming ffrom one of the square head plugs in the block or a missing or broken oil line for the oil gauge?
     
  10. May 15, 2015
    Cj1970

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    I will check. rebuilt carb replaced gaskets on pan and valve covers . replaced spark plugs. And hopefully tonight I will be able to try again.
     
  11. May 18, 2015
    Cj1970

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    Everything worked out fine. Carb rebuilt fuel tank flushed . New ignition system , new wires, plugs, cap and rotor. Recheck Timing and hopefully my first drive will be a success. I still need to wire the brake light and cig lighter . I have turn and driving lights done.
    The test start there was back firing through carb. I must have messed up firing order, Or new pertronics install was wrong somehow. But as far as this tread goes everything worked out fine.
     
  12. May 18, 2015
    Glenn

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    That's good news. :)
     
  13. May 18, 2015
    Cj1970

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    Yeah... I thought I flushed all my hard work down the drain. Will post some pics hopefully this weekend.
     
  14. Jun 9, 2015
    Cj1970

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    I thought I would update. I started the jeep after some mods and it was missing looked at oil pressure and there wasn't any. Ordered rebuild kit for oil Pump. A lot of wear on the pump surface. Bad enough that I couldn't just plane it like I saw on one of the threads here. I am wondering if I should pull the oil pan. When I drained the oil I screened it and didn't find anything of note.
     
  15. Jun 9, 2015
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    Not sure how "missing" connects with zero oil pressure.

    Assuming your gauge is functioning, and the oil pump is primed, this doesn't sound good.

    By the time an oil pump shows a"lot of wear" I doubt a pump rebuild will restore oil pressure to the bearings, which normally would go first. If by "wear" you mean the pump is scored badly, it may have ingested some fragments of broken broken piston ring (or some such). Again, a pump rebuild won't cure the root problem. Unless possibly the bypass is stuck open somehow.

    Checked the filter contents for debris?
     
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  16. Jun 12, 2015
    Cj1970

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    nothing was in filter. not even oil.
     
  17. Jun 12, 2015
    Cj1970

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    I will put up some pictures Monday. I will put in the " new pump" Prime it and let you know. My thought on missing is no oil to seal valves.
     
  18. Jun 12, 2015
    bcurtman

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    Im guessing the missing and the no oil pressure could be that the distributor was not engaged all the way into the oil pump....not grounding as it wiggled???
     
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    Glenn

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    Ouch! I hope it's ok.
     
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    I was wondering the same thing. That distributor has to be all the way down. You need to prime the oil pump (pack vaseline in gears) once the pump has been apart.
     
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