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problems with shackle bushing

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by 458soco, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Feb 6, 2014
    timgr

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    The length of the shackle will determine the caster angle to some degree. The longer the shackle, the less caster. It's very common for a lifted Jeep to have less caster than the factory specifies - I don't know how much of this to attribute to longer shackles, and how much to attribute to a new spring geometry. I think the right thing to do is put together your new suspension, then take the Jeep to your favorite tire shop and have the alignment checked. When I installed my 2.5" BDS springs and Mcruff-made shackles which are about an inch longer than stock, the caster was about 1.5 degrees IIRC. I added a 5 degree shim to bring it back to the supposedly nominal range of 5-7 degrees.

    Long shackles also affect tracking adversely from being so wobbly-kneed, but I think you have to go way long to see this effect.

    I don't see any reason why you can't run the bushings of your choice - bronze greaseable, polurethane, silent block, or something else - and factory-length shackles. IMO you should measure regardless of stock length or not.
     
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  2. Feb 6, 2014
    Colorado CJ5

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    Thanks for the explanation. This will help me decide which way to go with replacing my springs. One last question . . . if you lift the front, do you have to lift the back by an equal amount? if you don't have to, should you?
     
  3. Feb 6, 2014
    timgr

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    Uh, yeah. You don't have to lift the back, but you'll always be driving uphill if you don't. And most want the extra clearance that a lift affords, so doing just the front kinda negates that.
     
  4. Feb 6, 2014
    Colorado CJ5

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    Thanks. I do enough uphill driving as it is, so I don't need to add to it by only lifting the front. Appreciate the help.
     
  5. Feb 6, 2014
    PeteL

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    How about just lifting the back? - you'd get better gas milage driving downhill all the time.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2014
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    You, Sir, Are A Genius.

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  7. Feb 7, 2014
    458soco

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    Pics of finished jeep, had to run to town at 7 this am to get two grease fittings then drove her into work.
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    I just put it togeher so I could test drive and cruise around a little this weekend. Ordered hangers today so should have em to put on by next weekend.
     
  8. Feb 7, 2014
    timgr

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    So you're running with the rusty brackets?

    Jeep looks good though.
     
  9. Feb 7, 2014
    458soco

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    yeah, not far or fast though. I figured as long as it was rivoted/bolted on well there really wasnt anywhere it could go, but I will be changing it very soon! I also thing I will be needing to drop the TC a little, it has a small vibe especially under power going up hill.
     
  10. Feb 7, 2014
    Colorado CJ5

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    Looks great. Did you have to make any adjustments to your steering (tie rods, pitman arm) or drive shaft angles with the 2.5" lift? I wonder if you might want to trim the ends of those u-bolts down a bit.
     
  11. Feb 7, 2014
    458soco

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    I didnt have to make any adjustments to steering components, they all seem to be go to go. My driveshaft angle is a little more than I would like even though I did put some 2 or 3 degree shims in (cant remember the degree) so i will prob drop the TC an inch. I need to look at the ubolts, they didnt seem that long under the jeep but I looked at the pic and they look 5 feet long lol. Thanks everyone for the comments! I have many more projects to come on the jeep. I just took a meyer half cab and metal doors to the body shop yesterday, I have a new clutch setting in my office along with a webber carb and 2 barrel intake and ive been looking at nv4500's for the last few days....
    I got the jeep a little over a year ago and have just been working on the essentials until recently. It was an old military jeep. I have some really neat pics from when I first got it, Here's a few[​IMG][/URL][/IMG]
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    A little frost on it in this one
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  12. Feb 9, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    Good looking Jeep.fb
     
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