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F134 Starter Switch

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Don X, Sep 12, 2021.

  1. Don X

    Don X The Prodigal Moderator Staff Member 2023 Sponsor

    My M38A1 has a starting problem. It has not been started since I rewired it. I used a wiring harness specific to M38A1s.

    According to the schematics (see pics) everything is correct. A multimeter shows 24 volts at the battery and starter. When the key is turned to the on position all of the gages work so juice is flowing between the starter to the ignition switch. I also have 24 volts at the distributor.

    The starter switch is on top of the starter and is activated with a foot plunger. When depressed I get absolutely nothing. I've confirmed the foot plunger is aligned properly and the rod is being pushed into the switch correctly.

    All of this has me thinking it's the starter switch unless I'm missing something. Before spending $120+ on a new switch which will take 10 days to arrive, is there a way to bench test the switch? I've had it apart and, while the contacts aren't perfect, they look clean enough to work.

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  2. Twin2

    Twin2 not him 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I would try a set of jump cables between the two starter posts
    as to starter switch . can disc be flipped and studs rotated 180°
     
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  3. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Correctly as in you're positive it pushes in far enough?
     
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  4. Don X

    Don X The Prodigal Moderator Staff Member 2023 Sponsor

    Yes
     
  5. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    The only other thing is like Ron said try jumper cables across the switch. You are obviously aware that the key doesn't have to be on for the starter to turn over, right?
     
  6. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Can you try a test light across the terminals? Do you have a matching voltage test light?
     
  7. Don X

    Don X The Prodigal Moderator Staff Member 2023 Sponsor

    Great suggestion. I'll try it when I'm back out there next weekend.

    Yes.
     
  8. jeepdaddy2000

    jeepdaddy2000 Active Member

    Or you could use an ohm meter and test for continuity with the plunger engaged. If you get infinite resistance, you can try testing the plunger by hand. If it is fully engaged and no continuity, you should be able to disassemble it and inspect the contacts.
     
  9. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    M38A1 don't got no key. :confused:



    Try jumping it as said (in neutral!) and also confirm that the adjustment really is forcing full contact.

    Then, I would take it apart and clean it up, or and/or reverse the contacts, etcetera.
     
  10. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    His does. A picture confirmed it. :) We both know a key switch isn't stock.
     
  11. Keys5a

    Keys5a Sponsor

    Glenn nailed the issue in post#5. If adjusted correctly, the starter should engage and turn the engine over without any consideration of the ignition switch. The foot pedal mechanically mashes the starter contacts together, energizing it.
    The ignition switch (no key originally) simply provides juice to the gauge cluster and the distributor/coil.
    You should also have a 3 lever multi-position switch for lighting.
    My bet is the mechanical plunger on the starter isn't fully hitting home. You should be able to test this by depressing the foot pedal with a multmeter between the two large terminals. I see the copper buss from the terminal to the starter. This assumes the starter motor itself is a known good unit. Check the connection of that buss on the starter?
    -Donny
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2021
  12. amboynut

    amboynut Member

    If you are testing resistance across the terminals with the plunger depressed (should be zero ohms) DISCONNECT THE BATTERY FIRST!
    In fact be certain there is no voltage whenever you measure resistance in any circuit. Your meter will not tolerate any voltage when measuring resistance.
     
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  13. Don X

    Don X The Prodigal Moderator Staff Member 2023 Sponsor

    The ignition switch is not in question. It's the starter switch. I suppose I could generically refer to it as a solenoid but it's actually a switch that is activated by the plunger. Everything is line ups correctly and the plunger fully extends when depressed. I've also manually pulled the lever that the plunger pushes without anything other than I can hear the contacts inside the switch hitting each other.

    Next weekend I plan to jump the 2 terminals as previously suggested. If the starter cranks I'll know it's definitely the switch. I opened the switch up to examine it and it looks fairly simple. The contacts don't look out of the ordinary but I don't know what ordinary really is.

    All of the replacement switches that I've been able to find appear to be NOS so I doubt the contacts by themselves are available.
     
  14. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    I assume that it worked previously but the wiring needed help is the reason you rewired it? If so it would seem you would at least get some indication of the switch working.
     
  15. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    There's one lug on a cable that's going to the switch that looks like it got toasty hot, I'd pull it off & go at it with some sandpaper on the flats just to make sure you get good continuity through to the switch post.
     
  16. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    And, that would likely happen from a dirty contact within the switch.
     
  17. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member

    Could be but the stud looks fine. :shrug:
     
  18. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    It's a mystery.
     
  19. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    I think that is just the way it is. I've seen some others somewhere like that....just don't remember where.
     
  20. Don X

    Don X The Prodigal Moderator Staff Member 2023 Sponsor

    The lug is much cleaner than it looks. It was cleaned up on a wire wheel. The multimeter shows 24 volts at the stud so it's conducting well.