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No Lights, At All

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by BobH, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. BobH

    BobH Member

    Finally got the Jeep running today, was able to drive it around a little, Whooo Hooo!!!
    Turned out to a bad ignition switch that wouldn’t keep the electric fuel pump running (among other things).

    Next issue. None of the lights work, head lights, parking lights, brake lights, turn signals. Is this a collection of problems, or is there a single point of failure in there somewhere. FYI, at this point I have checked nothing. First place I plan to check after I check bulbs is the headlight switch.
    Any ideas?
     
  2. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Look at the back of the light switch for a circuit breaker. Try bypassing it.

    Do you have a FSM?
     
  3. BobH

    BobH Member

    Yes I have an FSM. I check the wiring diagram and saw the switch and a junction block on the left front fender.
    BTW, this is a 1960 CJ5.
     
  4. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Did the lights work before you replaced the ignition switch?
     
  5. Twin2

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    yep I would start by seeing if 12 Volts is at circuit breaker
     
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  6. BobH

    BobH Member

    :bananatool:Progress. I replaced the head light switch and I now have high and low beams and tail lights.
    Next on the list are brake lights. I looked at the master cylinder and :shock: How do I get to it to remove it?? I will look again, but it looks like between the exhaust, frame, and the engine there is no easy way. I’m looking to remove the MC because I have virtually NO brakes. I can slow down, if I have plenty of room.
     
  7. Greevesman

    Greevesman Member

    Check the MC for brake fluid level.
     
  8. BobH

    BobH Member

    I did, it was a little low but not mad. I added some.
     
  9. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Have you tried bleeding the brakes? Adjusting them?
     
  10. PeteL

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    Yeah, there are a lot of things I'd check before pulling the MC.
     
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  11. chipdom

    chipdom Member

    My 65 has a pressure switch on the master cylinder which activates the brake lights.
     
  12. BobH

    BobH Member

    Mine does too. I’m in the process of a complete brake check and replacing that is part of the plan. It seems that there isn’t a good switch in this Jeep, which, I guess, is sort of a good thing, switches are easy to replace, tracing wires, not so much.
     
  13. BobH

    BobH Member

    Thanks for the input, helps confirm my plan.
     
  14. BobH

    BobH Member

    Here’s an update for anyone who may not have seen the Brake Help thread. Replaced the brake cylinders and now the brakes work.
    Next on the list is getting the brake lights and turn signals to work. has anyone been inside the turn signal switch? The flashers and the right signal work.
    Can it be cleaned/fixed.
    Next question, can the brake light switch be removed without much risk of it breaking it off?
     
  15. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    There isn't a whole lot to a turn signal switch, might just need cleaning. Brake light switch coming off is anybody's guess. I personally haven't had one break off. Have you verified the switch is bad?
     
  16. BobH

    BobH Member

    No but I will before I remove it. I will make sure it is getting voltage then check the function of the switch.
     
  17. PeteL

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    There have been a number of very detailed threads here in the past. Did you try searching the archive?
     
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  18. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    All the wires from the Spartan turn signal come together right next to the heater on the firewall above the steering column, under the hood. My Problems started there, after 40 years the plugs get corroded, I unplugged one at a time and cleaned them and tested them to see that they were good. They are double bullet connections, so there is a lot of room for corrosion. I had a brake light quit working last summer after 12 years, found the problem there. As far as the Spartan turn signal wait until you have checked everything else first, then go there. Most of the time it is just dirt and old age that causes a problem, contact cleaner and a good cleaning takes care of them most of the time.