Critique This Restoration - 1967 Kaiser Jeep Cj5

figured out (right click, open in new window) how to zoom in and noticed a few other items.
I notice the wheel in opening and agree it's not the right spring. The paint appears very nice and applied to a pretty rusty base (pics showing drivers floor area and transmission hump) and re-use of some of the rusted up fasteners.
Lastly I'm not familiar with '67 air filter, looked on the web and can't figure where the other vent hose is supposed to go. Is this the wrong filter for a '67?
Also like to know about the hood support loops for the windshield.
I see there is a loop for when the hood is folded back, yet none for when the windshield is folded down, are there supposed to be two, or does the single loop serve as the hood support and tie down anchor? My '71 has 3 two for hood support and a single out of line of the other two for the tiedown anchor.

 

The w/s rests on the standoffs attached to top of w/s that are covered with canvas welt. The latch at top /center of w/s secures hood in open position. I did not see a strap (dog collar) to secure w/s to hood.Nice jeep with a few upgrades but they always look different in person.

 

That extra fitting on the air cleaner is for a smog pump. That air cleaner probably came from a later Jeep. I'm not sure when smog systems came out... my '69 has it.

 

Yes! A good way to sift through those images.

I noticed the radiator shroud was missing. That is a standard piece, right?
And since we were discussing the passenger grab bar at length in another thread--this one seems to be three pieces, welded together.

 

My '67 did have a oem shroud on it. It was broken courtesy of broken motor mount so a little fiberglass mat and good as new. Glove box latch off intermediate cj. Mix and match is all good just depends on owner.

 

That grab bar looks home made, same with the rear chassis crossmember made from heavy channel iron (mentioned earlier).
-Donny

 

I'll say that I do not think this is the best example to use as a standard to compare other jeeps to in terms of originality. My .02.

 

With that in mind, and slightly off topic: Is there interest in photos of my 71 cj5 renegade II that has just emerged 20 yr hibernation? While not 100% stock (likely 98%+) I can photo document and post a thread somewhere. What would be a good place to post?

 

I'm sure that would be both appreciated and useful, NC. There seems to be a fair amount interest here, in the early Renegades, whenever the topic comes up.

 

I'll compile useful pics and start a new thread

 

I admit, calling the topic of this thread as a "restoration" is a stretch...but it is touted as a restoration on that site.

I'm learning oodles of stuff though, about what to look for.

 

This is a topic many have discussed and argued over for years for every different different vehicle imaginable. Restored vs rebuilt. And restored is a slippery slope in and of itself when we start discussing original parts or reproduction parts, even down to body panels and nuts and bolts and screws. The purist of the pure will insist on OEM everything in order to consider something a restoration. And, we whittle away at it from there. Thus, I suppose, the points system at car shows for accuracy of a restoration.

Then, we can move on to the term "survivor." Another can of worms and term that can mean different things to different people. Let's take, say an old Camaro. Is it a survivor if it has period correct modifications, like the Cragars, traction bars, headers, etc., that are still on it from 1971 or, should a survivor be a stock, unmodified example with it's original Ralley wheels and no modifications or aftermarket add ons?

Is it all personal preference since we don't really have any definitions? Maybe. Until, I guess, you get to the show circuit and concourse.

 

My hobby of "survivor type" cars covers three different marquees. I have nothing to do with corvettes whose bloomington gold trademarked the term "survivor".
I own a chevy 4x, a dodge muscle car and a 71 jeep that are all clad with original paint and a majority of original parts. The discussion of what's right does appear as does it's your car do what you want. As above "day two" cars have a following. Period parts affixed to a car for decades are admired, yet tainted by if owners perform the "presetation" by using old, or new period parts. The purists mentioned above go to the point of searching date code correct parts. Of course there are the unscrupulous that grind, restamp, cut and weld numbers to create abominations of rare or desirable models.
I can't believe in my lifetime there will ever be a definition.
Born in the late 50's I grew up seeing these cars when new and do not always agree what some in the hobby purvey as correct. Then there are those that say there were all sorts of mistakes, I think very overused to qualify lazy restorations and abandoning locating original parts.
This discussion won't be settled until those that were there are long gone.

 

Jeep far more then any other manufacturer is much harder to say what is original. There were multiple models being assembled on the same production line at times in Toledo. (M38A1, CJ5 and CJ3b)There was also truly no limit to what a dealer would modify for a customer right up through the late 60s. I always say to never say never on a Jeep because it really may be the way the original owner ordered it or recieved it from the dealer. Not to mention that any Jeep that is painted green was certainly an ARMY Jeep.

 

Does anyone remember what the asking price was for this jeep ?

Frank

 

To all,

Information obtained, listed for $ 18,000, sold for $15,750.

Thanks,

Frank