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Something You Don't See Every Day

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Karl Childers, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. Karl Childers

    Karl Childers Member

    The shaft on the worm gear for my steering box is bent. The worm itself looks good so I'll straighten it in the vice.

    Sheesh.....how did that happen? o_O
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2017
  2. colojeepguy

    colojeepguy Colorado Springs

    I think I'd be looking at a replacement....
     
  3. Karl Childers

    Karl Childers Member

    Do you think there is a safety issue? Its a slight bend about midway up the shaft but when you spin it around you can definitely see it.
     
  4. Keys5a

    Keys5a Sponsor

    If you can straighten it, you will be fine. Most likely, it was bent by some previous owner trying to pull the tub off, or someone trying to use the column as a lifting point for a transmission change.
    Just make sure you get it straight, especially the worm at the bottom.
    -Donny
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2017
  5. TIm E

    TIm E Aggressively average

    Tough one. The obvious best (cost no object) solution is a NOS replacement from a safety and quality standpoint. However, the only stress or torsion on that shaft beyond the worm is what your arms can generate on the steering wheel. I agree with Donny, if you can carefully straighten it in a vice or press with no signs of cracking or fatigue, you should be fine. And if you can somehow twist it off with your sheer arm strength, we shall all bow before you and forevermore call you "Sir".
     
  6. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    If you can avoid the potentially disastrous quality of some new parts.

    Me, I'd straighten it. But I'm that way.
     
  7. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    I bent one of them once when I was 17. I was flying through the woods in a parts jeep with no brakes or seat belts and hit a tree when I couldn't make a turn. I taco'd the column and broke 4 ribs on the steering wheel. It pushed the wheel up and broke the bottom of the windshield.

    We bent it back with a come-a-long. It still had a wobble, but it never broke.

    I'd probably find a replacement if I were you. Without knowing the history of the bend, it could have been way worse when some idiot "got it close enough" with a come-a-long. :sneak: Bending it all the way straight could just weaken it further.
     
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  8. Karl Childers

    Karl Childers Member

    Worst case scenario, who might be a source for a NOS worm gear?
     
  9. Vanguard

    Vanguard Take Off! Staff Member

    Saginaw swap with IDIT column/XJ/GM column and a 2 piece collapsing steering shaft.
     
  10. TIm E

    TIm E Aggressively average

  11. Karl Childers

    Karl Childers Member

    A quick update here, On close inspection there were a number bends in the shaft. The deal breaker was the one right up next to the worm itself. I didn't like the idea of trying to heat it at that junction or over stress it by bending it cold so a call to Pete at Debellas has a NOS worm on the way. My bad for not spotting the bends on the initial tear down but it was a part I never expected to be bent only the grooves worn. If this Jeep could only talk!
     
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  12. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Which steering box do you have...V6 or 4 cyl? Aren't the worm gears different for the 2 boxes?
     
  13. Karl Childers

    Karl Childers Member

    The original was for the V6, what is in there now is out of an M38A1 which is about the same. I am not sure about the worm gear but the sector shaft is different. I suppose if the sector pins had the same spacing then the same worm could work for both. I'm still on the steep side of the learning curve with this so someone of more knowledge could better answer your question. Truth is because there is some question as to the origin of the box I have I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the right one shows up. Mr. DeBella seemed very knowledgeable so I think I have a pretty good shot at it.
     
  14. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Since there was only one part number showing for the gear it peaked my interest. I know the V6 and f-head box are different ratios.