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F134 - Engine Dies After Several Minutes

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by 1968CJ5F134, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    Any chance the regulator is allowing too much juice? Maybe that's what's heating the coil?
     
  2. Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    When it dies can it start immediately back up or must it cool off?

    Yeah, do you have a voltage gauge?
     
  3. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    I would like to see a vacuum guage on the intake manifold, monitored as the procees proceeds from cold-to-hot-to-dead. Sticking valves, plugged exhaust?
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2017
  4. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Definitely try this too.

    Please verify the point gap....should be .020.

    I'm curious, you say the generator gets hot? Too hot to touch? How about the wires to the regulator? Do they get hot?
     
  5. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    Still say it acts like a coil gone bad.
     
  6. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Agreed, it certainly does and I don't think anyone has ruled it out. Thing is that he replaced it too.
     
  7. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    If it's getting too high voltage to the coil, it might've fried every one that was put in. Grasping at straws, but possible.
     
  8. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    I totally agree. He verified it was good previously, but definitely needs to verify it again.
     
  9. 1968CJ5F134

    1968CJ5F134 New Member

    Yes, I can start it up immediately the first few times it happens.. then it gets harder (as things get hotter?) . I have uploaded 2 videos showing fuel going into carb and they were shot right after each other. First video medium gas, second more gas (second time it dies quicker, not sure if because of more gas or the heat (or whatever the issue is) getting to it the second time round





    This video shows spark tester still running after the engine starts to die..




    no voltage gauge.


    This in theory could be true... what would give the coil too much voltage ?

    points are good. I also put in the original coil (w external ballast) this morning and same issue.

    Generator is not to hot to touch and wires are all 'cold'

    One more video to hopefully explain...

     
  10. 1968CJ5F134

    1968CJ5F134 New Member

    I like the idea of looking at sticking valves/plugged exhaust; silly question - > how do I check all that ? Regular compression test is showing 135 on all 4 cylinders.

    I do have some vapor coming up from carb and also out of the air filter (coming up from dip stick into air filter) at times... nothing crazy and not all the time.. but I always thought this was normal or acceptable.
     
  11. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    To me it seemed like the spark seemed to get intermittent and the engine died at the same time. And of course I realize as the engine slowed down so did the spark. If the plugs aren't black/sooty then it isn't too much gas being the problem. Have you tried the spark tester on the other 3 wires? You should be able to determine by feel if the exhaust seems plugged. It sure seems to me that the engine would start missing badly but not quit with that amount of spark.
     
  12. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Your compression is good. Did you take the readings with the engine cold? I'm beginning to wonder about valve adjustment? Especially exhaust valves, maybe when it heats up they don't actually close?
     
  13. PeteL

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    Vacuum guage.
     
  14. 3b a runnin

    3b a runnin Active Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    12 volt coil?
     
  15. 1968CJ5F134

    1968CJ5F134 New Member

    Not just wires on generator but all wires in engine bay are cold....

    I'm also thinking the clamp around the coil is touching the engine.. obviously this makes it very hot as well. Can the clamp/engine be making the coil to get to hot and be an issue ? I wouldn't think so ...

    I will
    Will need to get my hands on one. Might be a while.
    Yes

    Readings taken at a few minutes of running. I recall that was the method.

    I have the cover off and will redo adjustments on both intake and exhaust
     
  16. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    That's the factory design, so it shouldn't be a problem but....it wouldn't hurt to try it with a coil not mounted to the engine. Just tie it/hang it as far as the wires will reach so you can eliminate the heat of the engine block being a factor. Definitely try one thing at a time of course.
     
  17. 1968CJ5F134

    1968CJ5F134 New Member

    I did actually move the coil to the side fender and it did not get as hot but the issue was still there...
    Also checked all valves gaps and everything was still spot on. Will not be working on the jeep until weekend so no further updates from my side. Thanks everyone so far.
     
  18. ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

    I would try unhooking the generator and just allow it to run on the battery for a test cycle.

    (If your coil isn't already fried,) this would rule out the generator/regulator.
     
  19. Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    Bypass chassis wiring and run a 12v source directly to the coil (or ballast res if externally resisted). Run spark grounds directly to the battery. this will help you completely rule out all chassis wiring getting in the way of spark.

    This will also rule out the battery or narrow it down to it.
     
  20. Jrobz23

    Jrobz23 Member

    A good route would be if you were able to get 12v DC from a converter from regular AC house/grid power. This way you can rule out the battery and bypass it entirely to test JUST the spark equipment.