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Electrical Help Needed

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by BMoney, Oct 1, 2022.

  1. BMoney

    BMoney Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    So I am at a loss on my 1969 CJ-5 and I am in need of help. I am wiring the Jeep with a painless kit and for the life of me I just don’t quite understand it. Electrical is not really my strong suit but I do know that if I get it wrong there are some pretty serious consequences.

    Is there anyone in the Southern California area that would be willing to help me out for a day? I really just need help with the engine wiring. The dash, lights and that stuff are pretty straight forward and already done. Willing to pay you (either cash or beer or your favorite drinks) for the help. Thanks!
     
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  2. Stakebed

    Stakebed Member

    I would if we were closer. Best of success to you.
     
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  3. timsresort

    timsresort Active Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Same here, I would help because in my experience, Painless is anything but. It's all doable, but as i remember, it's just not intuitive.
     
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  4. boopiejones

    boopiejones I can’t drive 55

    That was my experience as well. I took one look at the kit and returned it. Bought a bunch of different color wires and a bluesea fuse panel and wired everything myself - significantly cheaper and significantly less pain.
     
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  5. supertrooper

    supertrooper Member

    The engine wires should be fairly straightforward to hook up. What part of the engine harness are up having problems with? Is the harness a cj specific kit or a universal?
     
  6. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Howard has a great diagramed that shows where every wire should go, plain and simple, he will probably chine in to help. Good Luck. Rick
     
  7. Howard Eisenhauer

    Howard Eisenhauer Administrator Staff Member


    FWIW this one?
    Genny-Regulator diagram_4.gif

    I've been kinda holding back on this thread because I don't know the OP's engine/charging setup and this drawing doesn't really touch on the ignition for either the V6 or the F4 which can vary on all sorts of stuff that's been done to the vehicle over the years. If this helps great :).

    If not print it out, crumple it up & circular file it :D
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2022
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  8. Keys5a

    Keys5a Sponsor

    A ‘69 should have an alternator. If BMoney used a single-wire alternator, that would even simplify things a little more.
    -Donny
     
  9. BMoney

    BMoney Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    I have a Dauntless V6, I’ll post a picture of the alternator a little later today.
     
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  10. BMoney

    BMoney Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    Here are photos of the alternator and voltage regulator.

    I have the following wires that I am trying to figure out right now where they go.


    795 - Alt Regulator Power (Battery)

    714 - To Alternator Regulator Exciter

    716 - To MIDI Fuse

    I am also trying to figure out where the wires from the voltage regulator go to as well.
     

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    Last edited: Oct 2, 2022
  11. supertrooper

    supertrooper Member

    For the midi fuse, you run the heavy gauge wire that connects to the positive lug on the alternator to one side of the midi fuse. 716 (its labled 916 on my harness) should be the msin power suppy for the harness and connects to the same terminal on the midi fuse as the alternator wire. The othe midi termial you can run heavy gauge wire to the batery positive trminal or to the starter relay positive terminal.

    If you switch out the alternator to a gm 10si or a 12si you can get rid of the external regulator box and get higher output.
    [​IMG]
     
  12. BMoney

    BMoney Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    I only have 3 wires coming out of the regulator, not 4 which is throwing me off.

    For the MIDI Fuse I would assume the 716/916 wire goes to one side of the fuse and the other side connects to the positive battery terminal? Do I have another tail from one side of the MIDI fuse that goes to the positive side of the alternator as well?
     
  13. supertrooper

    supertrooper Member

    Yes. One side goes to the battery or starter relay, the other side goes to the alternator. The harness power wire connects to the same side of the fuse as the alternator.
     
  14. supertrooper

    supertrooper Member

  15. jeep peep69

    jeep peep69 Member

    In my opinion I would put in a 10si 12si alternator and eliminate the regulator it is a very good upgrade to your electrical system . Also get a good wiring schematic it helps a lot . There is a couple good ones posted in the tech section.
     
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  16. Cj5dale

    Cj5dale Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Not sure these will help but here’s some electrical system pics from my service manual for the dauntless.

    upload_2022-10-2_18-13-47.jpeg

    upload_2022-10-2_18-14-10.jpeg
     
  17. timsresort

    timsresort Active Member 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    What I have done with the factory diagram is, make a copy then take some different color hi-liters to it. Much easier to follow.
     
  18. Stakebed

    Stakebed Member

    Very much agreed
     
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  19. Rick Whitson

    Rick Whitson Detroit Area 2024 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Thanks Howard, Rick
     
  20. BMoney

    BMoney Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

    Thank you everyone for the help, ended up switching to a GM 12si 94 amp alternator and life is easy now.