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Hurricane F134 Driveability

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by schneedrache, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. mayday

    mayday Sponsor

    I drive my stock 58 cj5 about every day. I'm happy doing 50, where I live top speed limit is only 55 and that's only 1/2 mile long with a passing lane. 40mph is tops towing my boat though. Only time I been pulled over had a tail light out cop said cool jeep.
     
  2. mayday

    mayday Sponsor

    I have thought about a weber and adding a header too, we shall see. I once saw a 4 cyl scout with a super charger on it, that would be perfect for what I do. Add a super charger to a f-head sweet hot rod lol
     
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  3. jeepstar

    jeepstar Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    my 1970 has the fhead motor, and I am the first to admit that I thought it was an underpowered turd, and I had a lemon. upon using it for a bit, it seems perfect for my jeep.
    after spending many years with patient people restoring it, I just came to the conclusion that it is not, and will never be a fast car. its a slow moving lumber wagon from a bygone era, built for utilitarian purposes. I hope you leave it stock. you will come to appreciate it.

    just my 2 cents.
     
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  4. Alan28

    Alan28 Well-Known Member 2022 Sponsor

    I drive with windshield down when I can, it is not forbidden for my old Jeep but it is forbidden for a new one! safety regulations in Francc.
    that is why I wanted an old CJ.
    But I draw you attention, dear public, that I was in the past an adept of driving an old Willys with windshield down, near Saint-Tropez, to show how I was a hero!!! and and spent some time under antibiotics treatment because my lungs had some problems. So... get a good jacket.
     
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  5. eti engineer

    eti engineer Member

    The Weber is a 150 CFM with mechanical secondary. It did open up the top end of the engine, but there isn't a lot there to drag out of it. I did the calc's and it works out that a 150 cfm is the best fit for the 134. I can tell that I gained in both torque and hp with this carb. It comes with the adapter to fit it to the 134 for about 280 bucks out the door. That includes shipping.

    I also bought a jet kit to mess around with the jetting to see what I can do. I just haven't had time to do anything with it.
     
  6. mayday

    mayday Sponsor

    Good to know, let me know how it goes when you re-jet.
     
  7. jeep2003

    jeep2003 Well-Known Member

    My 46 2a has a completely stock drivetrain and 35" tires. I live in a very hilly area but I always thought the flathead was adequate. Dont get me wrong its slow. youve always got the pedal to the metal but thats what makes it fun. And any faster would be downright dangerous with the lift and tires and slow steering with a big wheel. But on the flat highway sections I never had a problem keeping up with traffic up to 55 or so. Now my 67 with the v6 and 31s is like a real car.
     
  8. tymbom

    tymbom Member

    ^^^^ what he said. They think that a commuter needs one tons and 40s with dual transfer cases...
     
  9. Daryl

    Daryl Sponsor

    Completely stock drivetrain and 35" tires??? You couldn't turn the steering wheel 2" Gotta at least have wheel spacers.
     
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  10. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    Depends on the wheels the tires are mounted on.
     
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  11. jeep2003

    jeep2003 Well-Known Member

    Yes I have 8" wagon wheels. very small spacers just to get the nuts out to the end of the lugs. It turns as well as my 67 with stock wheels and 31s
     
  12. eti engineer

    eti engineer Member

    I lived in Monterey in 1972-1973. I was studying intermediate German and advanced Japanese at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey and living there, too. It was cheaper and a totally different place back then.

    I still think I am going to tempt fate and drive around with the windshield down, unless I am on the freeway, which I highly doubt will ever happen, unless I change the engine and drivetrain...
     
  13. eti engineer

    eti engineer Member

    K553WEBER CARB KIT.jpg

    That may be a while. The carb works fine except there is a hesitation when going from idle to other circuits. I thought it might be the accelerator pump needing adjustment, but short of bending things, there is no way to adjust it. Reading the manual that comes with the jetting kit, it states that if the wrong idle jet is being used, it can cause this to happen. If I can ever get some time, I plan on playing with it a bit and see if that will cure it. If you want a good carb, I think this one is the one you want for the 134. The biggest headache in changing it out is getting to the inboard nut to torque it down. I finally figured out a way to do it. You have to put the valve cover on before you can install the carb, but the object is to NOT tighten it down. To tighten the inboard nut, you have to slide a wrench in between the valve cover and the head and do it one flat at a time. Nice thing is, you can actually tighten it down with your fingers from the backside and underneath to at least get it finger tight before you have to wrench it. I have attached a pix of the carb pkg above.
     
  14. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    how close to the hood does that place the air cleaner?

    That was one of the reasons for putting the oilbath on the passenger side firewall.
     
  15. durangotang

    durangotang Member 2022 Sponsor

    I drive my F134 daily around the Durango area, lots of hills and around 7000' elevation... when it's running perfectly I can cruise around great up to about 60. The only changes I made (being as it's my daily driver) is an electronic ignition, 2 chamber master cylinder, and overdrive. IMHO, those mods make it possible.
     
  16. eti engineer

    eti engineer Member

    I have around 2" of clearance. This was one of the first things I checked. It is a very nicely engineered setup except for that inboard fastener. See pix below. Getting rid of that oil bath mess under the hood really frees up a lot of room.

    under the hood 1-3-16 front.PNG
     
  17. PeteL

    PeteL If it wasn't for physics, and law enforcement... 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

    Do you think an air filter that small could be as effective as the oil-bath?
     
  18. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    Oh, yeah. They work fine. Been in use on bunches of different vehicles for a long time.
     
  19. eti engineer

    eti engineer Member

    Since my jeep spends more time on the highway than off-road, works for me. There is plenty of room to make a housing that will accommodate a larger filter if I find it to be necessary, but so far, I can't see any accumulation on the air filter at all. That carburetor makes a huge difference in engine performance once it's dialed in. The jeep had a Solex on it originally and I didn't like it at all. Really bad, even after I disassembled it, cleaned it and replaced anything that needed to be done. That's when I got wind of this Weber and decided to try it. Never looked back. BTW, the filter is a 360 degree filter, so there is a lot of surface area there. Also, the hose that is in front of the filter in the pix is not normally there. Just forgot to move it before I took the pix.
     
  20. 1960willyscj5

    1960willyscj5 Well-Known Member

    As for that inboard nut, it has nothing to do with Webber's kit and everything to do with Willys Engineering. After all Willys built them that way.
     
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