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Something Just Broke

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Focker, Aug 19, 2014.

  1. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    I'm about ready to throw in the towel and remove the backing plate bolts and see what happens.
     
  2. timgr

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  3. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    I went and rented a 7 ton 3 Jaw puller this morning. I've heated it, beat, rattled it with my air gun and finally...Cussed at it (I was certain that would have worked if nothing else).
     
  4. Thorwon

    Thorwon I'm learning.

    Put the puller on it and take a good bind on it. Then give the puller a good smack with a shop hammer. It should jump off, don't let it hit you. I've had pullers fly three or four feet.
     
  5. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    I have, it's sitting under load right now. I'm hoping it pops off while I'm at work.
     
  6. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    I don't have any more advice to add, but if this is the '71 in your signature obviously it has the wrong rear axle in it.
     
  7. Thorwon

    Thorwon I'm learning.

    Can you post a picture of the axle?
     
  8. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    It is, what's the correct axle?

    I will tonight after work.
     
  9. uncamonkey

    uncamonkey Member

    If your rear axle had a big nut on it, something like 1 1/16 size, it's not the stock part for your year. The correct axle should be a flanged 44. Either the tapered or flanged D44s are fairly bullet proof until you go to big tires or big motors.
    I had an axle break while I was driving up a side road in Vail about 30 years ago. I suppose it was better to have it happen there than while I was on the highway at 60MPH.
     
  10. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    It seems the inside diameter might be 3/4"...The nut measured 1 7/16".

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  11. uncamonkey

    uncamonkey Member

    Interesting parts you have there. a tapered axle set up that has a brake drum that isn't swedged to the hub.
    In the stock set up you probably should have had a "flanged axle" Do a search, look at the pictures.
    Even the brake backing plate isn't right what size is the brake drum?
     
  12. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    I come up with 9".
     
  13. timgr

    timgr We stand on the shoulders of giants. 2022 Sponsor

    You need to measure the inside diameter of the brake drum. A '71 should have a 10" brakes with an axle end that looks like this -

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    No nut and no taper. A one-piece axle shaft.

    The 9" brakes were used on much earlier Jeeps with the 4 cylinder engine. If they are really 9" brakes, check that they match the fronts.

    Last full year for the nutted axle with a tapered shaft is 1969. The flanged axle is a much stronger axle and a feature of the '70-71 Jeeps. The flanged axles used 70-71 that are offset for the Dana 18 transfer case are scarce, and can command a good price when you find them.
     
  14. PeteL

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    No wonder I was confused as to whether or not you needed a puller!

    I think your best bet right now is repeated impacts on the end of outer end of the puller screw, until the hub pops off when you least expect it. Use an air hammer if you have one. Maybe with some gentle heat on the hub.

    Will your puller fit on to the lug studs? If not, be careful not to bend the outer hub flange.
     
  15. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    Thanks for the help everyone. It seems I have an early Dana 44. My Jeep's VIN sticker says Jan 71, maybe I have a left over axle from the previous year? I'll come back to that later. For now I've got to get it apart and find the break. A few pgs back I posted a link with the same issue, my set up looks like his. I'll give it another try and hope it pops!
     
  16. duffer

    duffer Rodent Power

    You will probably break the flange off the hub with that puller but maybe no loss. If the key sheared and it spun on the shaft it's probably toast anyway. A normal hub puller bolts to the wheel studs so it isn't putting all that force on the outside rim. In addition, most have a striker wrench that will put a lot more tension on it than a gear puller, plus you can still beat the end of the screw with a BFH. Never had one not come off with one of those.

    Even if it was a left over axle, it would have had 10" brakes like Tim indicated. The 9" versions were never used with the 225.

    I have a hard time believing that someone would swap out the best factory rear axle ever used in an early CJ, but if it's a T14 transmission, that is what apparently happened. Bummer.
     
  17. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

    They're 9".

    They probably wanted to put in a different jeep or just put something in this one in order to sell it? Who knows...A lot could have happened over the last 42 years.

    Here's a question...What would be a economical upgrade?

    This is from a local craiglist ad - "This is a Dana 44 . It came off a 96 jeep Cherokee, but I don't think it was original to that vehicle. It has 3.30 gears and newer brakes and is in working order. You can pull the cover if you want. 50$ firm or trade for car stereo stuff"
     
  18. Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member

    Can you post a picture of the dash, looking from the driver's side?
     
  19. Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

  20. PeteL

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    I would love to know the paint code for that yellow color. My '57 was dealer resprayed and looks the same.

    If you are looking for a Dana 44, bear in mind it must match the track (width) of a CJ5, not a Cherokee, and must have an identical gear ratio to your front axle.