Prices

So I was up at the dealership today, just stopping by to look at the new 4 door Wranglers, they had a couple of Moab editions, couple of Rubicons, and a handful of Saharas, all had stickers ranging from $41k to $43k. Sticker shock does not adequately describe my frustration.

 

Wow, they've gone way up in 4 years. Our 09 4 door Rubicon sticker price was around 35.

 

I hear ya, I went to look at a 2011 Sahara the other day, and it was $35k, and has the underpowered, subpar 6 cylinder that nobody wants. It looks like I won't be getting a new Jeep any time soon! Now, if they produce something resembling their J-truck concept, I'll be knocking down their doors to trade in my '02 f150!

 

I personally would not spend that much money on any vehicle. None.

I guess I'll never own a brand new vehicle again. Oh well.

 

Yeah I can't believe the price of all new vehicles it's absolutely crazy, especially Jeeps, which are supposed to be utilitarian by their very nature. There is no reason why a new Wrangler should cost 40 grand. I considered a new Grand Cherokee for my wife until I saw they were around 50 grand!!

 

Basic jeep YJ used to be the cheapest thing around.

 

well they aren't that cheap around here anymore , at least a descent one . as to price of a new one 40K is a bit much . but that's what they sell for . I been to dealerships just looking around . to my disappointment most are automatics . changing times

 

I was in a similar quandary. However I was also considering larger vehicles. When I realized a new Power Wagon ST could be had for $42K, I decided that was my ticket.

 

YJs can still be found at good prices around here.
Same with XJs, but I don't believe in unibodies.

Pathfinders are even cheaper, but then again there's no support for them...

 

I'm not old enough to remember buying cars in the 80's (maybe someone can confirm), but didn't the gas cruch affect emissions back then, causing inflated pricing and a bunch of crappy vehicles, which we ended up crushing recently in some sort of government trade-in program? Not wanting a political debate, just describing.

Are we seeing the same thing right now?

 

There is no way I would spend 40 grand on a jeep just saying. You could get a subaru and have enough left over for a sweet early cj5.

 

If you are going to get a Rubicon Unlimited fully optioned, yes they are expensive. Looked at one on the local dealer's lot a couple weeks back with a 46k sticker. That said, and with the TreadlLghtly discount, we ended up with 32k in a plain jane 2012 Rubicon Unlimited-only option was leather seats. If you are looking for a low price version, you will likely have to order it as there is little incentive for the dealer to be pushing the low cost versions when any Wrangler is selling pretty well.

And for the record, our Rubicon did replace a Subaru and I couldn't be happier. Not as good in the mileage department, but superior in every other way, not to mention off road ability for which the Forester was completly devoid of-not that I was ever expecting it would have any off road ability. For a vehicle touted as panacea for a cold weather winter driving, Subaru's suck. When the snow and ice get packed into the very much too small wheel wells and you have no suspension and poor steering, who the hell cares if it's all wheel drive with heated windshield and mirrors. And the Rubicon can push through snow at least 3 times deeper than stuck the Subaru.

 

Well it's a subjective thing thats for sure. I own a 2004 subaru forester xt turbo and I couldn't be happier. I am sitting pretty at 186000 miles with no mechanical problems ever. With studded snow tires my subaru has been unstoppable on roads and I have even had it up hylite canyon a bunch in winter. Granted I am using Nokian studded snow tires which are the top of the line studded tire. Also, I think my opinion is based on the reliability of the subaru vs a new jeep. The beauty of the subaru is that it will do montana highway speeds and then get you up some heinous forest service road within reason to your favorite recreational spot. Also the turbo forester is 0-60 in 5.3 seconds so you can have fun with audi and mustang owners.

Besides subarus can get it done off road.LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aJfQpHt9lY

 

I used to love Subarus!
They were my favorite vehicle to pull out of the snow and mud in Big Bear up near John Bull.


R)

 

I rented a Suburu wagon years ago while skiing in CO. No traction on snow packed roads - likely due to wide tires. Did an unintentional complete 360 - Danny Sullivan style - never changed course, just swapped ends twice.

 

However, with studded snow tires they don't even know they are on ice/hardpack, at least until it comes time to stop. But same applies to all or most all wheel drive cars and for that matter, our 4x4's. Just can't expect BFG MT's to do the same thing on ice but they did turn out to be WAY better on that stuff than I was expecting. For slogging through DEEP snow, the BFG's work really well and so do the lockers.

 

I travel through the CO mountains, and see more Subaru's than anything else. I don't care for their looks; but, I have to admit, my buddy's Subi could push through the worst of the blizzards with snow coming over the hood, and lots of 4x4's pulled over or in the ditch. I was amazed at it's capabilities in aweful conditions, and it's sportiness on the dry pavement! It is really popular for it's versitility out here!

 

Don't see many "antique" subarus....

As for "20 years from now will tell" I think you can forget any conventional new car being around in twenty years. No way to get parts or maintenance, and you couldn't afford it if there were, since it is all "dealer".

Whereas my '88 Wrangler is just getting broken-in and costs me almost nothing to keep up.