Pic's Of Herm's Saginaw Conversion With Manual Reverse Rotation Box

Ground down frame some, small notch in front cross member, 3/4” spacer under spring perch & adjusted drivers steering stop out 1/8”. Plan to use Herm’s steering shaft & stock Jeep column kit. Will post pic’s when I get to that point

 

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Beautiful photography!

That is a manual box? Nice.

 

Yes, it's a manual box. Ford reverse rotation, I like things simple. Forum members always need pic's. Just want to be helpful

 

I assume that the reason Mark had to put a spacwer under the front differential os because occasionally when the spring pads are welded to the housings , they are not in a correct position and don't allow enough clearance between the tie rod and the spring. By raising the differential up it will clear. I appreciate Mark doing the pictures and the install since I don't have a flattie. I wouldn't fit in one very well. Great pictures by the way Mark Herm

 

Flipping the tie-rods to the top would take care of that problem.
Look at Grannycj's photos

 

Very cool

 

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Scarecrow, I'm hoping you or someone else with experience using Herm's tie rods and tie rod ends can help me out. I plan to change out the stock Ross in my 1956 wagon and don't quite understand how to measure for the tie rods. What I have done is measure the actual length of the lower (long) rod with the stock tie rod ends showing about 1/2" of thread exposure, then shorten this measurement by 1.5" to allow for the jam nuts that each take 3/4". On the upper arm I temporarily mounted the manual saginaw box to the frame, set the pitman at the mid-point of range of travel then measured to the point directly vertical from the passenger side existing tie rod mount. This measure is 33 1/2" but am thinking this is too long due to the double tie rod end Herm uses in his kit. How am I going wrong on this or can someone help me so I can give Herm the right meaurement.

Thx. RK1956

 

Looking at this, the stearing box is in behind the front cross member. I don't think I have ever seen a conversion like this. I really like this idea as it eliminates the problem of the steering shaft going through the front cross member.

Could you do a tie rod end swap at the same time and eliminate the issues with hitting the springs?

Thanks

 

I'm runing working on istaling herms kit in my 57 cj6 and runing it with stock :v6: mounts and a dana30. I had problems with the short tirod acctualy being overtop of the long tie rod at ful turn. I also did a tie rod flip but had to put it back to the bottom because the tie rods where actually hiting each other. I also had to cut into my cross member and slide the box forward as far as possable. Also to run stock :v6: manifolds (rear dump) I'll will probably end up runing a third u jount on my steering shaft. The steering box has about a 1/4" of crearance with the fan blades. I will probably be taking a little off the mounting bushings on herms bracket 1/4" or so and might have to move my motor over a 1/2 as well.

 

RK1956
will this side by side comparison photo help with your measurements ?

 

I had the same problem with the tie rod & drag link hitting each other. And I could not mount the drag link from behind as sugested by Herm because it interfered with the steering knuckle. I notched the from cross member in order to move the steering box forward & make the drag link & tie parralel to each other with no interference. To Herms credit & my stupidity, he informed me that their is plenty of meat on the steering box mount itself & I could have ground that down instead of notching the frame member. He also offered to to do it for me. As for motor clearance, I have not gotten that far & I plan to run headers instead of stock manifolds.

 

Scarecrow,

Were did you find your manual reverse steering box? Reading Herm's site, it doesn't sound like you can purchase a reconditioned from NAPA.

Did you purchase or find in a scrape yard?

Thanks

 

Very common box check Herm's sight. Gives a listing of Ford & Mazda vehicles that use it. I don't remeber where I bought it, just used a company I found doing a Web search for steering boxes. Mine is new not a reman. Cost was about $225

 

Windyhill, can you post any pics of your steering setup? A lot of the pics are gone out of this thread.

Thanks.

 

Okay, so I can't see any pics posted on this thread. Are they missing, or is there something wrong on my end?

Ranger:hurrican:

 

Thanks. I hadn't noticed that this string had started prior to the hacking. My mistake.