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Hard Time Starting After Warm Up.

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by aekdbbop, May 23, 2016.

  1. May 23, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    Here's the scenario.

    Jeep cold starts fine. Runs great.

    After turning it off and parking for a few, it is hard to start.

    Usually i get a sound from the carb when trying to start that is like a loud angry burp, a puff of smoke, and no start.

    Then if I open the throttle completely while turning it over, it will usually start.

    I just replaced the old starter with a modern one.. but that is really the only new change.

    It did flood really bad a few nights ago before this started.. could the carb just need a good cleaning after that?

    Carter YF carb, f134...
     
  2. May 23, 2016
    PeteL

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    Float valve? Crud in the needle seat, or time for replacement and adjustment?
     
  3. May 23, 2016
    Focker

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    The float might be stuck.
    What kind of choke? (not familiar with the Carter)
     
  4. May 23, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    its a manual choke, and its not hooked up at the moment.

    it was recently rebuilt. but after that bad flood maybe it got crud stuck in there..
     
  5. May 23, 2016
    Glenn

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    If it flooded then it sure sounds like a float or needle valve problem.
     
  6. May 23, 2016
    PeteL

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    If it has been cold starting without the choke being "hooked up" then it's been flooding all along.


    Or the choke flap is not open when it should be.
     
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  7. May 23, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    I guess I should clarify. The choke cable wasn't hooked up. The choke is there :)
     
  8. May 23, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    I hooked up the cable the other day for the first time, and the whole engine ran really rough. eventually stalled on me. Unhooked it and it ran fine...
     
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    I stand by my earlier comments.

    "Hooking up" the choke cable should not make any difference if things are adjusted correctly. (Flap full open and vertical when control is pushed in.)

    And there is no way your F-head should start cold without it hooked up, AND control knob pulled out to close the choke flap.

    The "recent rebuild" raises red flags. Is the fast-idle linkage, and etcera, properly connected/adjusted? Does it fully release the choke flap when warmed up? The float valve remains a suspect also.
     
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  10. May 23, 2016
    scoutpilot

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    Something is missing from the narrative.
     
  11. May 23, 2016
    PeteL

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    Agreed.
     
  12. May 23, 2016
    piffey263

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    Parking for a few? What type of time line are we talking about.

    My jeep had poorly adjusted points would run when cold and wouldn't start when jeep was warmed up.

    However flooding in the carb shouldn't happen.
     
  13. May 24, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    Last night I removed and took apart the carb. Cleaned it up really well and set it back in place. Ran great, and when I turned it off and waited a few minutes, started right back up without a hiccup.

    Is there a tutorial on how to adjust the choke/throttle linkage on this carb? I'd like to have a working choke.

    Carb is similar to this:
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  14. May 24, 2016
    Glenn

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    There isn't much if any adjustment to be made with the choke and linkage. The linkage is preformed to open the throttle up as the choke is pulled closed. Just hook it up where the choke is fully open with the choke knob pushed all the way in. Pull on the choke knob and observe what the linkage does and compare the movement of the choke plate to the throttle linkage. You want a fast idle of course when the choke is in use.
     
  15. May 24, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    Yeah I get the gist of it.. it idles way too high with the choke engaged. how do you adjust that?
     
  16. May 24, 2016
    Glenn

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    The only adjustment is in the bend of the linkage between the choke and the throttle. You might be able to manipulate a bend so it doesn't pull on the throttle quite as much.
     
  17. May 24, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    Thats what I was thinking. Thanks Glenn
     
  18. May 24, 2016
    scoutpilot

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    Between the throttle lever and the throttle body is an ā€œLā€ shaped bar, with a tab that contacts the boss on the throttle, that has the choke/throttle connector rod attached. You only want to bend the rod enough, in the right direction so that when the choke is fully open the short tab on that bar is in contact, but not hard against the boss. Adjust the carburetor with a vacuum gauge and a dwell tachometer.
    Click on the link How to Time Your Motor Without a Timing Light | Old Jeep Carbs LLC to find out how to fine tune the carb and timing.
     
  19. May 24, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    Great info. Thank you!
     
  20. May 24, 2016
    aekdbbop

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    So my issue is still there.. had someone suggest a thicker battery cable (running a 4ga now). He surmised that the coil was starved of voltage when cranking over..

    the starter I was using was an old 6v, and really the only thing that has changed its the modern 12v starter that I installed before this started.

    I'll upload a video of what's going on.
     
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