help with reflector and rear light location

[tomr67]

hi I'm working on a 65 cj6 that's had decades of "custom work" to be nice and the owner is trying to put it back to original which means undoing the previous work, unfortunately our early jeep we restored is in another state so i cant simply reference it for the measurements

I'm looking for the mount location measurements for the round rear and rear side reflectors ( i know 1 goes in the spare tire mount ) all original holes are gone from previous metal work.
I also need measurements for the reverse light location , ive attempted online searches but these items return various measurements that don't seem to match original pictures found online.

i was able to locate where to mount the brake/tail lights.

any helps appreciated

 

[Jw60]

All the reflector stuff came in 69 to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Keys5a]

For a ‘65 model year, there are no separate reflectors or back-up lights from the assembly line. For lighting, the rear only got a pair of 4” round Hall tail lights mounted hear the lower edge of the body, and the front got smaller conical turn signals where you should have holes on either side of the grill opening. No other lights or reflectors.

 

[tomr67]

For a ‘65 model year, there are no separate reflectors or back-up lights from the assembly line. For lighting, the rear only got a pair of 4” round Hall tail lights mounted hear the lower edge of the body, and the front got smaller conical turn signals where you should have holes on either side of the grill opening. No other lights or reflectors.

ok the customer bought the beehive dealer option reverse lights and we were looking to add reflectors as a safety similar to what a 3b has, those dealer reverse lights may end up being turn signals because of how the jeep is currently wired , its been butchered with honda mini truck parts

 

[Keys5a]

Though the white back-up lights are the same basic piece as the front signal lights, the reverse lights only have one wire. The front amber turn signals have two wires, one for “low” for parking lights, and the other for “high” for the flashing signal.
Jeep introduced the back-up lights as standard in around 1969?

 

[timgr]

... the beehive dealer option reverse lights ...

There were official "Jeep Approved" accessories that could be installed by the dealerships.
Seems unlikely backup lights were among these.
However, there's nothing that would have prevented dealerships from installing them.
In this case, "dealer installed" seems to be something of a distinction without a difference.
The Wagoneer parts book lists those beehive lights back to the earliest Wagoneers (ca 1963).
Any dealership could have pulled them from the shelf and installed them on a CJ.
The main issue for a '65 - this is before the V6 era.
The Jeep should have come with a T-90 and AFAIK there is no provision for a backup light switch on that transmission.
The installer would have put a switch on the dash.
Suspect the wiring would tell the tale.
Not the world's expert on the pre-1970 models - others here may correct me here.

That said, if you want the backup lights, use them.
No one but us obsessives will notice or care.

 

[tomr67]

There were official "Jeep Approved" accessories that could be installed by the dealerships.
Seems unlikely backup lights were among these.
However, there's nothing that would have prevented dealerships from installing them.
In this case, "dealer installed" seems to be something of a distinction without a difference.
The Wagoneer parts book lists those beehive lights back to the earliest Wagoneers (ca 1963).
Any dealership could have pulled them from the shelf and installed them on a CJ.
The main issue for a '65 - this is before the V6 era.
The Jeep should have come with a T-90 and AFAIK there is no provision for a backup light switch on that transmission.
The installer would have put a switch on the dash.
Suspect the wiring would tell the tale.
Not the world's expert on the pre-1970 models - others here may correct me here.

That said, if you want the backup lights, use them.
No one but us obsessives will notice or care.

well i was wrong on the year its a 56 cj6 lol , owner decided no reflectors and we are only using those backup lights if i need them for turn signals, yes it had a t90 but someone put in a honda mini truck trans and transfer case like a 5 speed lol, this poor thing was butchered and now he wants it stock again smh