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Yep, Bought A '68 Cj5(project)

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by Dne007, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Mar 11, 2020
    Dne007

    Dne007 Well-Known Member 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor

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    Ok, put it back together(less clutch/flywheel, and other):
    * how is the tilt of the engine/transmission figured? I know it's from the shims between the trans/crossmember, but what is "normal"?

    Now, waiting for the Novak headers, front bumper, hmm, darn, need a steering column(grrr). Once those are all mocked into place, I can tear it all back apart and start the restoration process:bananatool:


    The maxjax allows the body to come right back down on the frame
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    We've discussed this already

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    I hate the crossmember or the mount~ it's just ugly Does this look correct?:confused:
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    Dne007

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    Dne007

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    I'm putting Howard Eisenhauer's master cylinder upgrade here for reference (cause I'll forget)~ I'd like accomplish this~ it looks very nice;)

    Master Cylinder replacement options
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    txtoller

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    I know that is a great set up that Howard has done. And here is the but, you have it all apart now and you have talked about hanging pedals, now is the time to do the hanging pedals, IMHO.
     
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    Dne007

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    Doah! I said that didn't I! lol you are correct~ back to the drawing board~ thanks for reminding me Jason:beer:, sometime I just need a little nudge:D

     
  6. Mar 12, 2020
    Warloch

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    Most engines are set for @ a 3 degree tilt back. I target mine for 3 - 4 degrees.

    Let me add - the result is that most of the time, the plane where the carb sits on the intake is then pretty level.
     
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    Warloch

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    You can make anything from a 32 to 28 work. Once you have it, you will just need to line up the angles and plane to get the fit at the drivers seat and then the angle for the joint at the bottom for the shaft to the box. I find that a 28 is great and helps the angle at the bottom, but may need to have the entry to the engine bay raised a touch to keep the wheel at the right height.
     
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    Dne007

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    OMG, that my engine has to be sitting more than a 3 degree tilt backo_O~ hm, Thank you Chuck;)
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    Dne007

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    Gosh, thank you again! I'll order the column today~

     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Have you looked at the Roxor assembly?

    1955 Cj5 Moneypit Build

    Don't forget to consider things such as firewall reinforcement.
     
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    Dne007

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    Thank you Howard;) Mike (Badgoat) suggested the YJ brake/clutch? a bunch of posts back, but darn, that Roxor assembly does look very nice and new(I wouldn't have to re-furbish it)!


     
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    Dne007

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    While waiting on headers and sure something else, and making up my mind on the brake/clutch assembly, I started on the drivers side body.

    I can't imagine what happened other than being hit in the side, or power sliding into a tree?
    but at that spot, it was pushed in pretty good and a little more forward of that.

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    Using a crazy long straight edge shows quite a gap and needs to be pushed back out to some degree.
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    Using my portapower, It was able to push out the beam which was "bent", and then a bunch of hammering, etc.
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    Though at this point it's still bumpy, it's workable with more hammering and a few cuss words, like, Heckfire, shazam, gosh darn-it-all!
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    Onto the seat frames~ I don't like these seat frame things AT ALL! They're nothing like what is in my brothers '62~ and one of the seat frames is at least an inch higher than the other:crazy:

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    I'm not using these seats, I'll be using another set of Miata seats that I need to recover. These seats would be good for a drive in theater, they lean back and a more cushy than my sleep number bed:lol:
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    I did not get anything done on the seats, but there's tomorrow and since Mr. Corono V, Gary and I are not going anywhere, except maybe to the store for what's left, but I'm happy in my garage and Mr. C is not welcome:n:
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Don't trash those seat frames, there's a good market for them, probably worth $75 or so to somebody.

    The seats are probably worth a few hundred, you may not like them but they're hard to find & arguably better than any aftermarket pieces.
     
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    Dne007

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    I'm thinking of modifying the seat frame to fit my needs, however, guess I could fabricate some seat frames:confused:~ I'll have to get back other there and stare at the problem to get my brain working:crazy:

     
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  16. Mar 13, 2020
    BadGoat

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    Whether you use hanging pedals from a YJ, a later CJ, or the Roxor, the real benefit is the ability to buy a system that has already been put together with all the corresponding components. I like the YJ pedals, simply because I know I can get all the parts still. I'm actually using a CJ master cylinder for the clutch on my YJ pedals. It fits fine. The only concern I have with the Roxor components, is will they still be available 5-10 years from now. Otherwise, they are new and very affordable. This parts availability concept is the same reason I went with a modern GM motor. But I also built a daily driver, not a restoration.

    One other tip, if you aren't already, create a build log with a spreadsheet showing each part, the manufacturer and the part number. 4 years from now, when you need to find a new brake light switch, you may not remember what it was sourced from. You have other classic cars, so I suspect you are already doing this.

    Also, for the engine angle, you really can't set it until you have the transmission and transfer case bolted up, then you'll locate the motor mounts and the transmission cross member at the same time.

    Mike
     
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    Wow Mike, thank you for all that information! As for the spreadsheet, I did better with that on my brothers '62 Willys cause I had to as I was buying a lot of the parts only to be reimbursed. But I am doing that now on my '68.
    I see what you're saying about the parts in the future, however I would think Mahindra Roxor would be around(never know), but jeep parts have been around forever. I'm just drawn to the least amount work finding parts~ I have plenty going on, but rather excited to get the clutch/brake stuff ordered just to have it here;)

    The unanswered thing on the swingarm thing, that is if I didn't want a big power booster with the master sticking out, why not just use manual brakes? It's taken for granted that the firewall would be greatly re-enforced or cut out the firewall area in question and weld in heavier material. Just talking out loud~ I'd love power brakes, but want a clean engine compartment and just two masters (brake/clutch) would be nice;)
    Jeep pedals brake clutch CJ Cj5 Cj7 Cj8 manual pedal assembly 76-86 AMC | eBay
     
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    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I have manual 11" drum brakes & they work just fine with stock sized wheels/tires, I assume manual disks would be as good or better.

    If however you're going to BIG Tires on BIG Wheels then you want power brakes & disks.

    You can go power brakes under floor, there's hot rod pieces with oddly sized boosters available or you could adapt a GM Astrovan hydroboost setup (if you have power steering) but you'll be into a serious development mode on your project.
     
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    BadGoat

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    You could certainly use manual brakes, that would match the factory. And a stockish early CJ5 is pretty light. I would recommend upgrading to a dual circuit master cylinder. I did this on my 64 Ford F100 with 4 wheel disc brakes as I had a space problem (it's pretty modified). I used this master cylinder for my pickup, they have a disc/drum version too. I have a dealer account with them, but you can also find their stuff on eBay. Many shops sell their parts under their own brand name.

    MC2912ACH - GM Universal Aluminum Chrome Master Cylinder 1-1/8 " Bore


    You could also do a hydroboost setup. They are a bit more complex but take less space then a vacuum booster.

    And as noted, I have nothing against the Roxor parts. Mahindra is doing very well and will likely be around for a long time.

    Mike
     
  20. Mar 13, 2020
    sterlclan

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    The boys 70 has the hanging pedals out of an intermediate the brake and clutch are a little farther apart than the 76 and up ones. He also runs manual brakes. Just did the geo brake conversion on a buddy’s scout manual brakes and organic pads they work awesome.
     
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