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windshield wiper wiring

Discussion in 'Intermediate CJ-5/6/7/8' started by linkwhy, May 30, 2013.

  1. May 30, 2013
    linkwhy

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    hi does anybody know if you can use a four wire wiper motor and convert it to a three wire thought i heard you could but not sure what wire to omit 74 cj-5 thanks
     
  2. May 30, 2013
    Walt Couch

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    Is that a motor with a park position?
     
  3. May 30, 2013
    linkwhy

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    not sure friend has it is there a way to tell
     
  4. May 31, 2013
    timgr

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    If you are asking whether you can use the '76 and later motor on a '74, yes. But you have to take the motors apart and switch the brackets between them. The motors themselves are the same. They both have 3 wires and a ground through the motor case. So 4 wires is actually 3 wires and a ground wire (in addition to any ground through the windshield frame).
     
  5. May 31, 2013
    Walt Couch

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    [​IMG][/URL]

    Maybe this is what you are looking for. Four wire wiper w/auto-park connected to a three wire switch?
     
  6. May 31, 2013
    linkwhy

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    i have a 76 or newer windshield so i could get a new supper top didn't like the tiger top is the 3 and4 wire colors the same on the wiper motor so i can switch the plastic plg or what do i have to do
     
  7. May 31, 2013
    Walt Couch

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    If you have the auto-park motor you will have to use all four wires. Do you understand the diagram I show of the motor/switch set-up? You will have to use a diode as shown and solder it into the circuit. This diode does not come with the original set up.
     
  8. May 31, 2013
    timgr

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    Walt, I believe that's not true for the factory motors mounted on the windshield. There are two wires for the two speeds, both to ground through the wiper switch. Both grounded is low speed, one wire grounded is high speed (connects a bucking field, or not). There is a power wire to the motor, energized when the ignition switch is on. The park switch goes to ground through the motor frame.

    Take a look at the wiring diagrams for '74 and '76 here: http://oljeep.com/edge_parts_man.html
     
  9. May 31, 2013
    tarry99

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    Tim...........since your on the subject of Windshield Wiper motors here is another question: I just picked up a 72-75 rounded top Windshield frame to replace my old "Small View: frame on my 1965 CJ...........since I will probably have to replace the old motor in the 72-75 frame anyway and do not have a wiper switch..............what are the best options for replacements beings I have a clean slate to work from anyway regarding motor & switch? IE; 2-3 speed , park and delay? Or?
    Thanks
     
  10. May 31, 2013
    timgr

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    The original motor only supports two speeds and off. When both connections are grounded, the motor runs slow. When only one is grounded, the motor runs fast.

    The original switch is rotary for the two speeds and off. Push on the switch to activate the squirter.

    The park switch is built-in to the motor. There is a microswitch and a cam that grounds the high-speed wire in parallel with the switch, when the blades are at any position but park. So the only way the motor can be off is if the switch is off and the blades are at park.

    If you want delay, you'll have to make an intermittent circuit, or buy some additional device to run the motor intermittently.

    I'll look up some parts later.
     
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    Tim I am un-able to read those schematics clear enough on my comp/monitor either 74 or 76 so I will take you word for it and bow out of this one. Tnx for your reply.
     
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    timgr

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    I made this schematic long ago -

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    working from this description? (sorry it's so small)

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    Maybe this helps.
     
  13. May 31, 2013
    linkwhy

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    hi back again i got myw iper motor working but its on all the time turn left high turn ,right high, middle low can't turn it off any suggestions switch or motor all i did was took the gear cover off it was dry no grease put lithium in it and bench ran it worked on low and high put back together sprayed switch with krol oil worked back and forth loosened right up any help thanks
     
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    timgr

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    Looks like this?

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    If so, follow the schematic above.
     
  15. May 27, 2015
    Focker

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    Dug up this thread to ask a question about my '71's wiper direction.

    2 speed electric motor mounted outside on the lower left.
    If installed traditionally (blades parallel with bottom of windshield with arms pointed to the right) they'll slam down into the hood. I had to rotate the arms to obviously avoid damage. Now the blades in the off position point to 10 o'clock. I've seen both applications pictured on Google. Can I simply swap wires around causing reverse polarity? Or since it sounds like it might just be wired for speed settings, am I just going to have to live with the view? Not to big of a deal since that's how my '67 VW bus was. I don't want to go to the trouble if it won't make a difference.
     
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    timgr

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    The motor runs round and round, and the linkage converts it to back and forth. Like an old steam locomotive.

    So if you reverse the motor direction, that won't change the sweep of the wipers. If the wipers are trying to wipe the hood, the linkage has to be upside down inside the windshield frame?

    This is for later years, but it works the same way.

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    The park switch determines the location of the park position, and it's fixed wrt the motor case.
     
  17. May 28, 2015
    Focker

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    You're awesome at this, I tried it for the heck of it. The wires going into my switch were bullet connectors so it was super easy to reverse. The only thing that changed is now the first setting is the faster speed.

    I'm not sure how the linkage could have gotten upside down? The only thing I can think of, when I bought the Jeep the motor was disconnected mechanically and the wires were cut. It didn't fit quite right (not "correct"). Maybe my motor is made for a top mount application or the motors are set to run CW or CCW? Either way it's fine, it works.

    Thanks
     
  18. May 28, 2015
    timgr

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    Well, the motor only parks at one point in its rotation. You cannot change that. If you take the motor off, there is an arm on the motor that pushes/pulls the link that moves the wipers. If that were 180 degrees out of phase, then the wipers would park at the wrong end of their sweep.
     
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  19. May 29, 2015
    Focker

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    I tried as you said but the arm and shaft into the motor are one. I removed the motor's gear cover and pulled the whole shaft with gear and reassembled it in the 180* position. I connected the linkage and the wipers rested in the traditional position. I ran the wipers just fine but they parked in the 10 o'clock position again...Weird!
     
  20. May 29, 2015
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    do they travel past where they park in normal operation?
     
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