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Will Late 70's Cj-5 Roll Bar Fit 1964 Cj-5?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by KeithR, Oct 2, 2018.

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  1. Oct 2, 2018
    KeithR

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    Will late 70's stock CJ-5 roll bar fit 1964 CJ-5? One is for sale locally but I'm not sure if the tub dimensions changed between those model years.
     
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    Up through 1975, yes, the rollbar will be a bolt-in to any earlier tub. How does the "later" rollbar mount? Does it have an angle shaped base that rests on the tops of the inner rear fenders? If yes, it will likely mount in.
    -Donny
     
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    FinoCJ

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    Fwiw...the ones after 75 may have the main hoop angled back to match the later windshield angle. Not necessarily a functional issue but might be an aesthetic concern.
     
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    KeithR

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    Thanks, sounds like it'll be worth the trip to try it out. Thanks again.

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  5. Oct 6, 2018
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    I picked up the roll bar and with s few notches cut it will fit, here it is sitting on the bed ledge before cutting.
     

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    Chris Insull

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    Keith, nice looking CJ! It might be the pic but it seems pretty tall as compared to the WS frame. Are you going to run a soft top?
     
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    TP on the hood. :)

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    "here it is sitting on the bed ledge before cutting."

    Bar is up on the tub edge, not sitting on the wheel wells.
    Should be fine, but what needs to be "notched"?
    Pretty Jeep, got the right colors too(y)
     
  10. Oct 7, 2018
    KeithR

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    Hi,

    The Jeep came with a top, but it's been off since then, so I'm not too worried if it'll go back on. My son is learning to drive it so thought the roll bar would be a good idea.

    I was looking for an early CJ and a restorer/collector listed a ''real deal" Tuxedo Park. I didn't know what that was at the time, but he'd restored it to really good 'driver' quality so I bought it and did some research after on TP's. The VIN plate is 8322, but the engine starts 80 so I guess it's not original, but that's okay as I bought it to drive on sunny weekends.

    I had to notch the roll bar as there is a little tube in the bed that it looks like you'd stick a flag in. There's one on the back too, not sure what those are for.
     
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    ojgrsoi

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    very cool. The tubes were for top bows usually on canvas tops.

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    Rick Whitson

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    Nice Jeep Keith, looks good. Is it a Tux or just a Tux Hood? Welcome from Michigan.
     
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    KeithR

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    Hi Rick,

    The VIN tag says it's a Tux as well (starts with 8322) but all the other Tux-type chrome bits are missing and it doesn't have a column shift. I suspect it's had a lot of mechanical changes over the years.
     
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    Is it a 4 speed? My TP was a 4 speed with no column shift.
     
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    That forward bow tube goes away with the 1976 model year. If the roll bar interferes with that tube, it's from a '76 or later. Up through 1975, the roll bar would sit on the wheel houses behind the bow tube. Installers where I worked would slide the bar as far forward as possible, up against the bow tube. Not everybody does it that way.

    NB the roll bar would be "sprung" into place inside the body lip. You could use a ratchet strap or such to draw it together, but the installers would place one side and bounce on the other side to get it past the body edge. There should be bolts through the side of the body and down into the wheel houses, with flat reinforcement plates on the underside of the wheelhouses.

    Also, the interior floors (including the wheel houses) were different from 1976 forward. That bar looks pretty tall, even sitting on the body edge. The wheel houses may be lower in 1976 which would produce a taller bar - I have not measured that dimension. If the wheel houses are shorter in 1976, likely a hard or soft top will not clear that roll bar.
     
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    KeithR

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    Thanks for all the help! With a friend on either side we were able to squeeze the rollbar in past the side rail. Turns out the top still fits as well.
     

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    Jw60

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    What guage thickness is the backer plate for the roll bar?
     
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    timgr

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    Just from memory ... not as thick as 1/8", so 12 or 14 ga? They keep the bolts from pulling through the steel of the wheel house, as wide and maybe a little less long than the footprint of the roll bar.

    To the OP - you going to put bolts through the side of the body? There are holes in the roll bar for that. You will need spacers between the bar and the body sides, to keep from crushing the body sides. It will be safer with all the bolts in place.
     
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    Jw60

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    12 ga is around .105" that seems better
    14 ga is only .075"
    thank you Tim!
     
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    Yeah, will drill through the sides in the spring when it's out of hibernation, felt bad just drilling through the fender wells though
     

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