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What year would you refer to it as?

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by Jobhater, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. Feb 24, 2010
    Jobhater

    Jobhater A man without a Jeep

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    I have a CJ-6 that is titled as a 1963. The VIN number makes me believe it's a 1961.
    In casual conversation that typically comes up with our great "vintage" jeeps, what would you refer to it as? 1961 or 1963?
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  2. Feb 24, 2010
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It is what it is....If the VIN says '61, that's what it is..
     
  3. Feb 24, 2010
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    '61 titled as a, or in, '63.
     
  4. Feb 24, 2010
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, yes. Just don't go to Autozone and say that..;)
     
  5. Feb 24, 2010
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    I thought it was a rhetorical question. Who goes to AZ for these anyway?
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  6. Feb 24, 2010
    bkd

    bkd Moderator Supreme Staff Member 2022 Sponsor

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    yea everybody knows they're home made :)
     
  7. Feb 24, 2010
    mb82

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    I do when I want to be disappointed. Then I go to NAPA and become happy again.

    Call it a '61, why because I said so, and what I say means nothing.
     
  8. Feb 24, 2010
    jpflat2a

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    I'd say 1961
     
  9. Feb 24, 2010
    BajaEdition

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    I read in a few books that this is not uncommon for an older jeep have a newer registry, seems they were leftover models that got sold later.
    Go for the 61 for parts 63 for the legal stuff.
     
  10. Feb 24, 2010
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Back then the dealers would title them when they sold.
     
  11. Feb 25, 2010
    Jobhater

    Jobhater A man without a Jeep

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    thanks for the info. I was wondering how it would have a different year title.
    I shall refer to it as a '61.
    Thanks!
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  12. Apr 21, 2010
    timgr

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    What's the difference between a '61 and a '63? These Jeeps did not change much from year to year.
     
  13. May 5, 2010
    Jobhater

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    So far, the only difference I have seen is the front crossmember that holds up the grill. On the probable '61, it's round. On the '63, it's made of flat metal.
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  14. May 8, 2010
    oldtime

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    Lots of differences when you scrutinize the vintage. Example:
    The 1961 was standard with T90 A (2.798 first) and 5.38 final drive ratio.
    The 1963 was standard with T90 C (3.34 first) and 4.27 final drive ratio.
     
  15. May 8, 2010
    Jobhater

    Jobhater A man without a Jeep

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    Ahh...perhaps I'll check the T90 and count the rotations. That'll help me identify if my -6 is in fact a '61. (As of right now, I'm looking at the serial number based on the records from this website.)
     
  16. May 10, 2010
    oldtime

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    As stated the 1963 Service Standard is the 4.27 final drive ratio for all CJ's.
    Realize that the 5.38 final drive ratio was an option (rare) from Nov 1962 through 1971 for the Hurricane powered CJ's.
    That said the T90 C transmission (low geared version) was standard with no options after Nov 1962 for the Hurricane powerd CJ's.
    The best way to determine T90 A vs. T90 C is accomplished by removal of the shift tower housing.
    The maindrive gear (input) tooth count is 18 for the T90 A (pre 11/62) and it is 16 for the T90 C (post 11/62).
     
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  17. May 12, 2010
    Jobhater

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    Is the main drive gear the first gear that you see inside the T90, immediately behind the bellhousing? If so, then I have confirmed everything you just said. On my possible 1961 CJ-6, I counted 18 teeth. On my 1963 CJ-6, I counted 16 teeth. Therefore, if it was the correct gear, then I can still presume that I have a '61 CJ-6.
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  18. May 12, 2010
    oldtime

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    Correct... that is the maindrive gear which is often referred to as the input shaft.
     
  19. May 12, 2010
    Jobhater

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    Great. Just an FYI to other people reading this post. The castings on both of these T90s say T90A.
     
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