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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by CJ51962, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. Oct 24, 2017
    Walt Couch

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    Starter drives are made of softer metal than the ring gear so you will replace the drive several times to one ring gear.
     
  2. Oct 24, 2017
    PeteL

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    I had assumed that was because the ring gear spreads the wear over many more teeth.
     
  3. Oct 25, 2017
    Walt Couch

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    That is also true.
     
  4. Nov 5, 2017
    CJ51962

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    But doesn’t the ring gear tend to stop on the same spot? The teeth right where I pulled the starter off we’re worn, but if you looked up and down the ring from there, there was almost no wear at all.
     
  5. Nov 5, 2017
    PeteL

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    I would maybe say "spots" =plural.

    The engine would probably have a tendency not to rest at the top of a compression stroke, but otherwise the flywheel could tend to stop anywhere else in it's cycle, I'd think.

    Then unworn area you saw therefore could be a TDC point.
     
  6. Nov 5, 2017
    CJ51962

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    Yeah that makes sense to me. I had read elsewhere that the wear spots on the ring would tend to be several degrees in width, and 180 to each other. But, I haven’t taken it out to verify, so we’re left with a subjective opinion rather than empirical evidence on my part. The logic makes sense though.
     
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    Walt Couch

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    When you idle down and turn off the key, the engine is in a free spin cycle. It will stop on the highest resistance point be it main bearing, rod bearing, piston-valve compression etc. This highest resistant point will come up the most times which puts the flywheel stopping in the same place relative to the starter. If you remove the ignition wire to the distributor and crank the engine you will notice the engine will crank unevenly in RPM. on a worn engine. A very well balanced and blue-printed engine will have a very even crank speed and the flywheel will stop in various positions.
     
  8. Nov 5, 2017
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    On a four cylinder you'll find wear spots 180 degrees apart on the ring gear, the engine will want to stop where the pressure balances on the compression/power strokes of the cylinder pairs. I believe a 6 will have three spots & an eight four but probably not as noticeable as the fours.

    If the ring gear is severely worn the (relatively) quick fix is to knock the gear off the fly wheel & put it back on backwards & spun 90 degrees to where it was.
     
  9. Nov 5, 2017
    CJ51962

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    I’ve also heard of that. And I suppose that is the quick “fix”. However, if you’re going to open things up to that point, you’d might as well buy another ring gear. They’re cheap enough...

    But it proves the point, that wear tends to occur in only two spots on a four cylinder. Luckily, the new starter has taken care of all my issues and we can have the leisure of discussing the issue from an arm-chair instead of a creeper. Now that brings up a whole new topic...
     
  10. Nov 6, 2017
    baldjosh

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    I see the 180 wear on my flywheel but no ring gear to replace,so i would assume, rotate the flywheel 90 degrees and extend the life another 90k
     
  11. Nov 9, 2017
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    Posimoto

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    Fits the V6.
     
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