What Bumper Is This-tuxedo?

I just got a 67 cj5 with a Bumper I'm not familiar with. It is curved and factory riveted on. It is made of the same heavy thick steel as the norm. Anyone seen this before?

 

I think it's got a little bend in it. from years of abuse
tux bumper is different shape . more like a C

 

Thanks but it doesn't appear to have been bent. The curve is a even, slight curve. No kinked areas anywhere. Riveted on?

 

I'll have to check the frame number. Isn't it located just behind the shock mount?

 

The Tuxedo Park bumper was never riveted on. It has only 3 holes in the face of the bumper. 2 to mount to the frame horns, and the last hole for the license plate bracket.

 

What Roy says! The Tux bumpers were always bolted, and have "soft" edges from the face to the top/bottom.
Your bumper was likely bent from a rope pull that didn't leave any marks other than a slight bend.
-Donny

 

Ever see one riveted on? They are factory rivets. I'll get a good pic tomorrow. Thanks Donny

 

That bumper looks like a Jeepster front bumper, which was the same as the Tuxedo Park bumper, EXCEPT for the extra holes it had on the top and bottom of the Jeepster bumper. Sure looks like someone used those 2 top holes and used rivets to mount, hence the factory look. Yes, the top holes on the Jeepster bumper are exactly where the frame horns are on the cj5. I still have a front curved chrome front Jeepster bumper from years ago.

 

Interesting, I always thought they should have done that at the factory on the Tux bumper. The CJ5 front cross member has bolts through the flanges to tie the frame horns together, the tux bumper has only two horizonal bolts in the ends of the frame to hold the front springs stable. Just my $.02.

 

Your bumper's profile is nothing like a chrome Tux bumper. The Willys Wagons and Jeepsters share the same profile as the Tux. The CJ5 bumper, at least in the 1960's, is more of a "C" channel, and yes, they were originally riveted to the front frame horns.
Rick, yes, the Tux had a pretty weak front tie-in at the end of the frame horns. I always thought the original soft springs of the Tux let them get away with this design; only two bolts tying the front frame together.
-Donny

 

Ok, lots of good info from you all. Here's some more pics. Do I have a Jeepster frame with a CJ5 body??

 

IMO, That's most definitely been bent. One can see how uneven it is , from top through bottom. Has a few wrinkles too. Did It have a Plow at some time ?

 

I agree with lockman.
Looks somewhat even but not a factory formation.
Likely pulled outward with a thick rope or webbing.
The welded frame horns also might suggest it may have been used to tug in reverse.
Or was frequently pulled out of the mud.

 

A few careful bumps against a tree will get that straightened back out.

 

Thanks guys. You're the best source I've found for CJ knowledge.

 

Can I ask a potentially dumb question? If you followed my post in the Classifieds, I recently scored authentic Tux bumpers for my build:

I don't have the funds currently to really repair them / rechrome them, but as they're not in terrible shape so I was going to just bolt them on and be happy with them for a while. I went to go start this process and I'm wondering what happens with the frame horn mounting holes at top and bottom (shown here with bolts through regular CJ5 cross member). There aren't holes in the Tux bumper - so does it only bolt on at the front through the square hole? And as far as the correct bolt - it it a square-neck carriage bolt?

 

Yes, it will just be the frame horns sticking out, which the Tux bumper will sit against, and square neck carriage bolts x2 only thru the front. The bumper actually ties in the frame horns!

 

Classic American bumper bolts are what hold the Tux bumper to the front frame ends, only one face bolt per side. Nearly all post-WW2 through the '70s American cars used the polished stainless capped carriage bolt; AKA bumper bolts. Please don't drill any extra holes in your Tux bumpers as they are pretty hard to find in restorable condition.
-Donny

 

I made a front cross member for my Tux and welded it in so the Tux bumper covers it. It makes the frame horns stronger and the stock bumper with a tow bar replaces the Tux bumper if I tow it with the tow bar. Just saying, I didn't think two bolts in horizontal was enough to stabilize the frame horns. Good Luck. Rick

 

Hi Rick! I also have a “C” channel welded in