I started with a traditional dark helmet. Count not see boo and could not weld. Got an HF auto dark and it worked well. I could at least draw a bead. But after using it, on fast dark and dark as I could get it, my eyes itched and watered. Then the band broke and it would not stay in front of my eyes. I had to prop it up with a rag on my chest so I could see. For Fathers Day my wife and kids picked up one of these...http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200416894_200416894. It is fantastic. I can see, my eyes don't itch and I can weld much better. FOr the money, great welding helmet.