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Varg In Jeep's Clothing

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by ITLKSEZ, Aug 20, 2015.

  1. Feb 18, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    Pull up a chair... :rofl:
    It's not out of the realm of possibilities, but highly unlikely. At rest, I have 4" of uptravel until the links hit the hood, and 5" of uptravel before the axle hits the bare frame. I'll be running heavy, all-rubber bump stops. They'll get installed the next time I have my axle out. (Can't fit the drill in there till then.)

    Compressing the bumpstops to less than 1" would require some huge forces. I understand that articulation will allow the link to travel farther than it would through perpendicular travel, but having the swaybar in function should keep that at a minimum. I'm building this thing to use and abuse, so even if it does hit, it won't be too big of a deal. The hood already looks like it was driven over.

    If I plan on a big trail weekend, I'll pull the links for flex and it won't be an issue.

    I remember being asked this before... we'll see if I still have the same reasoning. :D
    I'm not a big fan of coilovers on anything but a racer for a few reasons.

    1) My biggest gripe is how they push until they are maxed out. That aspect is desirable on a racer where you want an airborne tire to offer resistance throughout a long distance of travel for a soft landing and control. I know that can be minimized with coil tuning (see #3), but still, it's an issue. When you are in an off-camber situation off road, the jeep will lean. It loads the downhill side and unloads the uphill side.

    A traditional coil will unload to a point, then begin to enter its negative spring rate where it's actually using the weight of the axle to pull the jeep back to the ground. It could very easily be the difference of a fun day or vehicle recovery. I've been careful to build this suspension with as much negative spring rate as positive, front and rear.

    2) The most important lesson I've learned over my wheeling life is the importance of equal, or near-equal performance from the front/rear suspension. Nothing feels as unpredictable on a trail as a rig with one end that is way-softer than the other end. Equality is the name of the game. If you run a super-flexy front suspension combined with a standard leaf sprung rear, the front will do all the work and the body will follow the rear, making for a very uncomfortable, unstable ride.

    3) Price. This thing is getting built on zero budget. Coilovers are a "go big or go home" type of purchase. Any less than top of the line and you'll regret it. I'd have double the $ into one shock than I have into this whole build so far.

    4) is a bit weak, but it's important to me. I feel like it's a bit of an easy way out. I want this to handle like a car on the road, and just throwing coilovers in there would be sacrificing some road manners just to make it easier to build. I'm not out to build the wildest rock crawling monster I can. I just want my wife to be able to get in it, turn the key, and get to work safely without dealing with any quirks or compromises. On the weekend, take the family out on trails that other rigs on 32s would struggle on.

    Thanks for the interest.
     
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    ITLKSEZ

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    Sure! Copyright that. :)
    It's not that different from stock, just above the frame, rather than below.
     
  3. Feb 18, 2019
    Norcal69

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    Lots of race cars are set up this same way.
     
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    73 cj5

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    See I was imagining the pedals would be close to vertical and the pads offset to the arm like a go kart.
     
  5. Feb 18, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    Yes. Sort of. Working on them now.
     
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    ITLKSEZ

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    Think cherry is strong enough? :lol:

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    ITLKSEZ

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    I had to quit for the day, but here's where I'm at.

    I used those wooden templates to make CAD templates from, then used them again as jigs to form and tack the pieces together. If you saw in my hippo build, I used the same technique to build the receiver hitch male/female pieces.

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    Corners will get fully welded and smoothed out.
     
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  9. Feb 19, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    Nice job on that it looks good. You can’t even tell it’s welded because the grinding and sanding is top notch.
     
  11. Feb 19, 2019
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  12. Feb 19, 2019
    cadwelder

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    For much of my adult life I worked as a fabricator. One of the things I'd tell the young guys learning the trade was that there's an art to grinding (sanding, too). For example: controlling the direction of the striations. ITLKSEZ, you have mastered the art.
    (y) :bow:
     
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    ITLKSEZ

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    Thanks guys.
    Woodworking tools make the best metalworking tools. :D
     
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    fhoehle

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    If I could like the pedal fab twice I would!
     
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    Bowbender

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    Very clever! (y) I do think hickory would have been a better choice for strength.;)
     
  16. Feb 19, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    I have some Bolivian Rosewood left over from our flooring. :sneak:
     
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    Bowbender

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    That would be purdy! :D
     
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  18. Feb 21, 2019
    ITLKSEZ

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    Pedal box is mostly done. Still needs zerk fittings and the clutch cable bracket welded underneath, but the flywheel and pressure plate aren't in, so I don't know where to mount it yet.

    But, I'm not happy with it and I'm going to cut it apart.

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    (Everything looks crooked for some reason, but I promise it's not.)

    I was trying my best to line up the pedals with the original locations, and it occurred to me this morning, the original locations sucked. They were only where they were to split the steering column. My column will be much higher, so there's no reason to have the pedals so far apart. I'm not left with enough room for my boot to fit between the brake pedal and the transmission for a gas pedal. It needs to move over at least an inch. I might just take the horizontal section out completely.

    The clutch pedal doesn't leave much room for my foot to fit in for the dimmer, but there's not much I can do about that. I might have to mount the dimmer a little lower.

    I cut the cool little threaded bracket out of another pedal assembly I had here for the brake light switch, and I welded that to the inside of the box with a corresponding actuator arm to the pedal.

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  19. Feb 21, 2019
    62CheepJeep

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    When can I place my order for pedals, I would like to have the accelerator pedal moved to a more comfortable position as well. seems everything is to close to the center of the vehicle. (y)
     
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    47v6

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    When I did mine, I used a YJ assembly, so things were in a normal position. That left NO room for a floor mounted dimmer. I also cut aport the whole floor and made it a bit wider, but still can't easily wear my clodhopper boots when i drive it. There really isn't much room for this stuff in a flat fender. Roll cages mounted traditionally also eat up space. Its tough to make it all work.
     
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