Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Donnie, Apr 25, 2019.
Yep..if they won't fit a stock Jeep with stock mounts, what's the point then.
I have factory v6 frame and rubber mounts.
Have tried both sides on the drivers side and the collector is less than an 1/8” difference in location fore/aft and port to starboard
The passenger side (either since they are effectively the same) will not fit up against the block like the drivers side (and it would dump directly over driveshaft) - (why don't they work with factory mounts?).
Picture 1 above shows tube hitting frame mount and rubber mount without seating at exhaust ports.
Please remember even though the heads are the same the supplied collectors are not centered between the cylinders- pic 2 above so when on drivers side the collector is farther away from the motor mount.
Novak says the headers are the same side to side. Craig is going to ask Eric what if any differences Warloch’s headers are to mine. Note his fit between starter and frame and mine are made to fit in front of starter not beside it. And they require a mini starter- definitely not a mini starter in Warloch’s pictures
Pic of frame mount
unless they can solve the problem for you . or allow you to return them
I myself can't see the same header fitting both sides
would you be willing to bolt both head flanges together . just so we can see what they look like (exit)
manifolds or fenderwell headers . but I am on my third set of fenderwell headers . rust out
Somewhere, somehow a decision was made to save time and money????
Hope they get it straightened out, I'm in the market.
Are you swapping this engine in ?
Your mounts, although factory, don't appear to be factory welded.
Just curious. Tell us more.
Bought a 1953 M38A1 with unfortunately a Buick 198, the drivers mount and a mangled passenger mount. (Same mounts) dropped from military service in ‘62 w the 198 then added.
The frame was cracked in 4 places, enter new to me 1962 frame from Don and a NOS passenger mount from the bay.
Added the mounts/ 225 motor, fully boxed the frame, relocated suspension and added yj old man emu springs. Outboarding rear springs w off set dana 60.
On and on
They asked for more pictures and Eric thinks I may have wrong headers - possible light at end of tunnel!
Wow! What a build.
I would be shocked if those are the right ones - You might want to tell him you have looked at mine from when I helped him design them and they are defiantly not the same. He wanted to make sure the headers worked with stock mounts and his after market ones.
I specifically had him note and he made changes for the starter. Brandon across the street is running a set of these as well.
I think your pictures (sent him a link) are the reason they are reconsidering!
Thank you !
Had to resend the emails/photos - as of today now in Eric’s hands, hopefully decision soon!
Does this help?
Thank you, located where I would expect and shows it will work with the right passenger side!
More discussion and emails
Kudos to Novak, they are sending a different passenger side header, should have in a couple days will post pics and hopefully it is the solution!
Got the replacement header, fits beautifully!
Super support from Novak!
Note old non fitting header that hit motor mount in reply #22
Do you have a similar picture on the driver side? Give me some ideas on what I will have to do with steering shaft.
Will grab some pictures with header and steering linkage held in position in morning (not finished yet w my tilt column from a later CJ, moving slightly the stock M38A1 steering column base and dash position to be in a more optimal position)
Thanks, not in a big rush.
I hope you continue this thread as you route this exhaust to the rear, It should very to helpful to folks wanting to use these same headers.
As noted I moved the column from the stock M38A1 location when going to saginaw steering. Used a later model mount, boxed the frame and added a much heavier frame to frame plate (not yet bolted to frame or top plate- noting clamp in pic). Minimizing bump steer w the new springs ( though it does hang lower like the newer jeep boxes)
Steering shaft needs a little more clearance on backside of factory crossmember, shown in top pic (will scallop out and plate/weld). Clears motor mount as planned!
Since there is a double joint - due to angle, will be using the support “heim” as required on frame in pic with a bracket.
Little tab in top pic is base of adjustable sway bar mount- has easily removable heim to heim connection to axle. Have same setup in rear.
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