Two CJ2As spotted

Discussion in 'Flat Fender Tech' started by NorthernMich, Nov 23, 2006.

  1. Nov 23, 2006
    NorthernMich

    NorthernMich Member

    Northern Lower MI
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    51
    First off..Jeep NEWBIE here. I was rolling in my 76 CJ7 after hunting and behind a business that scraps metal and sells junkers were two CJ2As. Now I had to open the hoods to confer that...newbie remember :)

    Looks like they sat on a farm forever...no windshields, both have motors...one is in the backend. Wheels and undercarriage is there, the hoods are split down the middle??? One has smashed gauges, the other has a differernt dash-could one be military?...I can take pics maybe tomorrow.

    I took interest because of the age of these models....even rusty and trashy, IF I wanted to own them what would I offer?

    I have a polebarn to eventually become a Jeeper...am I crazy to get the Willys' or am I lucky to have found them?

    HELP!!

    I have a few snowmobiles so maybe a barter...I know the owner quite well but did not call him on Turkey day.
     
  2. Nov 23, 2006
    1969 CJ-5

    1969 CJ-5 AZ Native

    Whiteman AFB Misouri
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    157
    If you have the room I say bring them home. Only thing keeping me from having a jeep graveyard at my house is the fact that I live on Base.
     
  3. Nov 23, 2006
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

    Parker, CO
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,924
    :iagree: If I had the money and the space, I'd be known as "that crazy old Jeep guy down in Parker".

    Yes, please! Definitely go take some pics, and let us know what you find out.
     
  4. Nov 24, 2006
    neptco19

    neptco19 That guy.... Sponsor

    Athens, GA
    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2003
    Messages:
    1,382
    Yes the hoods do have a seam down the center of them to answer that question. How bad a shape are they in rust wise? That will be the big determining factor. Even if they are in decent shape Id still only offer a couple hundred bucks. Yes they are getting hard to find but they still do exist and can be found if your willing to drive a little.
     
  5. Nov 24, 2006
    NorthernMich

    NorthernMich Member

    Northern Lower MI
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    51
    I took the pics...
    They would bring $350 just as scrap here as metal is up.

    I will refer to these as whitewall (ww) and gray...lol

    Gray may be military as it has the canvas seats and a hatch under the front passenger seats. Pics are coing as I am on dial-up.

    He told me I could have them for $500 for the pair...
     
  6. Nov 24, 2006
    mb82

    mb82 I feel great! Sponsor

    Charlottesville Va
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Messages:
    2,719
    $500 a pair? Why are you not picking them up right now.
     
  7. Nov 24, 2006
    NorthernMich

    NorthernMich Member

    Northern Lower MI
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    51
    The reason I came here and took pictures is because, frankly, they look pretty sad and I have NO idea on value or what these really are. I still have my 76 to fix up but I just might have some Jeep fever...time to clean the polebarn out. Anyone collect snowmobiles? The forum audience here is a place to start. I also know where a guy has like 5 Jeeps in a barn...not sure if they are CJ2A's or 3s. I might get these and see what he says. He collects but never seems to restore them.


    BOTH

    [​IMG]
    WW right side
    [​IMG]
    WW front
    [​IMG]
    WW rear
    [​IMG]
    WWdash guess the gauges are intact-miracle
    [​IMG]
    WWmotor
    [​IMG]
    GRAY right side
    [​IMG]

    GRAY front
    [​IMG]
    GRAY motor
    [​IMG]
    GRAY dash
    [​IMG]
    GRAY rear
    [​IMG]
    by the way...dialup and photobucket combined, SUCK-lol

    That's the last of the pics.
     
  8. Nov 24, 2006
    CJ-X

    CJ-X Member

    Ohio
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    I'd buy them.
     
  9. Nov 24, 2006
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member Sponsor

    Los Alamos, NM
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    8,328
    Those are both pretty rough..... Don't think I'd spend 5 hundies...
     
  10. Nov 24, 2006
    NorthernMich

    NorthernMich Member

    Northern Lower MI
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    51
    New Mexico probably doesn't see vehicles in that sad of a salt-rusted shape.

    So what are they and what are the negatives and positives...the frames LOOK solid and both chassis roll. Can I part out like the GRAY to fix the WW or should I rob parts to fix one...is the GRAY a military model and if so, what one?

    Thanks for the help!
     
  11. Nov 24, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl Curmudgeon-in-training Staff Member Sponsor

    Pittsburgh, PA
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2002
    Messages:
    3,942
    "Gray" is an early '48 CJ-2A or earlier, based upon the parking lamps.

    "WW" is a mid-'48 or later '2A, possibly a '3A. Hard to tell for sure without the serial number and a tape measure.

    Neither one is a military unit. Frame on "Gray" has been repaired substantially due to damage from the plow. (very common) Hopefully "WW's" frame is cleaner, and without "angle-iron" repairs. Tubs on both look pretty rough, but repairable if you have the time and patience. (Mine was not much better when I started on it!)

    As I see it, major expenses for a rebuild will be completely re-doing one flathead engine from all the parts you have here. ($1200-$2000) A repro windhshield frame for a 2A wil set you back $400 not counting glass and seals. (originals are almost always rusted beyond repair)
    Expect to have 4-5k tied up in a garage-resto when it's all said and done. Sounds like a lot, but over a period of 4-5 years it isn't so bad...

    Are they home yet? :D
     
  12. Nov 24, 2006
    NorthernMich

    NorthernMich Member

    Northern Lower MI
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    51
    WW is a 2A as it has the tag on firewall

    I have dibs on them just gathering info...why does the GRAY have a hinged cover under the seat? The dashes are different too.
     
  13. Nov 24, 2006
    DanStew

    DanStew Incorrigible. Staff Member Sponsor

    Lexington, South...
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    4,033
    $500 go get em. i have seen much worse. they are rebuildable. Looks like the grey one had a differnt speedo unit hacked into the dash. Maybe like a commando or a differnt cars speedo assembly, it looks to be a bit more rectangular to be a military gauge clsuter. Can you delvier one to South Carolina?? :)
     
  14. Nov 24, 2006
    w3srl

    w3srl Curmudgeon-in-training Staff Member Sponsor

    Pittsburgh, PA
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2002
    Messages:
    3,942
    Toolbox. All pre-'71 Jeep CJs had 'em. Dash looks the same for both Jeeps, the gray one just had the daylights hacked out of it. Usually someone had visions of grafting in an instrument cluster from another vehicle in place of the stock 5-gauge setup. Military Jeeps didn't get the pop-out 5-gauge panel until '52 with the M-38. These are definitely 100% civvy Jeeps. Go get 'em! :D
     
  15. Nov 24, 2006
    Txjake

    Txjake I wrenched with Sparky

    Oklahoma City OK
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2006
    Messages:
    544
    WW has a "Supersonic" head on it also. That is a neat find. Go for it. I have seen worse here in the south go for more sometimes.
     
  16. Nov 24, 2006
    Rondog

    Rondog just hangin' out

    Parker, CO
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,924
    Wow, those look pretty sad, but I personally would buy 'em if I were able. Building a runner out of those two would be a monumental task, but you could surely make some money by parting them out on Ebay, if you wanted to. Or even resell them intact to someone else.
     
  17. Nov 24, 2006
    chasm

    chasm New Member

    Pennsylvania
    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    43
    NorthernMich:
    The white-walled one is a CJ2A, I am basing this on the frame horns on the front end, the dashboard set-up and the original 2A style horn button. You can confirm this also by measuring the distance between the wooden hood blocks and the center seam on the hood. If one of the hood blocks is closer to the center seam than the other, it is a CJ2A hood. They were off like that to keep the wipers from hitting when the windshield was down.

    The gray one looks like a WW2 army Jeep. It's kind of hard to tell which model since there is so much paint over everything and a lot of mods to the frame and rear end. Possibly a MB? One of the Military guys here should be able to help. If it has Ford F-script on any of its' parts, it's worth way more than 500 bucks by itself!

    500 for the pair is a good deal in my opinion. You could part one out and make your money back on Ebay!

    If you want to see a Willys that started off in worse shape, go to my website www.jeepchasm.com and look at my pics! You'll think you won the lotto! E-mail me if I can be of any help to you!

    Buy them, or I'm driving north to get 'em!
     
  18. Nov 24, 2006
    chasm

    chasm New Member

    Pennsylvania
    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    43
    Okay, scratch the "military" on the gray one. w3srl is right! It's an early CJ2A. The small holes on the right side of the dash were for the 3 metal shift & instruction plates on the early 2A's. The inset running lights on the front are also early CJ2A, similar to the late MB's. Looks like you have an early and a late CJ2A. Check inside the left frame horn on white wall for a serial #. They were there as well as on the firewall.

    A visit the "CJ2A Page" may help you out!

    Did you buy them yet??????????????
     
  19. Nov 24, 2006
    NorthernMich

    NorthernMich Member

    Northern Lower MI
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    51
    I'll leave a deposit...with Christmas and a wedding I can't fork it all over yet.

    Thanks guys for all the help.

    Per the Supersonic in "Gray"...226: After the merger of Kaiser-Frazer and Willys-Overland, the 226 cid, 115 hp flathead Kaiser Supersonic/Continental Red Seal engine was named the "Super-Hurricane 6" and was made available to all Aero Willys in 1954...so this is a later motor swapped in I take it?
     
  20. Nov 25, 2006
    Glenn

    Glenn Kinda grumpy old man Staff Member Sponsor

    Apopka, Fl
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2002
    Messages:
    7,451
    The SuperSonic head is a different story. That's still a 134 with a Super Sonic head.
     

Share This Page

New Posts