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The Experiment

Discussion in 'Quitters' Club' started by ITLKSEZ, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. Jun 10, 2020
    73 cj5

    73 cj5 Not ready for the junkyard yet

    Clinton, Mississippi
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    If you finish this before I can get the 3b done I quit.:D
     
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  2. Jun 11, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    It was touch-and-go there for a bit, but I got it done and back together. There are two clutch baskets on the back of the oil pump that came out a lot easier than they went back in. :banghead:

    The bellhousing removed from the transmission...
    The oil pump on the right needed to come out to access the differential.

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    I’d never seen a two-piece case before. It made disassembly a breeze. Everything got disassembled, cleaned, and reassembled.

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    You can see the gear ratios in the above pic.

    I’ve “Lincoln Locked” probably seven differentials in my life and never had one fail (knock on wood). I’m convinced that clean metal and pre/post heat are the key. I heated the whole unit to straw yellow, welded it, then post heated it lightly for about ten minutes before covering it with a metal bucket. Three hours later, it was still too hot to handle. I removed all the spatter and burrs that I could, blew it out with compressed air, and pressed the bearings back on.

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    Viola! A 4.77:1 first gear ratio’d five-speed automatic transmission with a built-in 2.44:1 transfer case!
    :bananatool:
     
  3. Jun 11, 2020
    Snoops

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    He still needs to finish the Varg!
     
  4. Jun 11, 2020
    Jw60

    Jw60 Sitting up n buckled down. 2024 Sponsor 2023 Sponsor 2022 Sponsor

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    I could leave that on the curb here and watch it disappear.
    Scrapyard is a few blocks away.
     
  5. Jun 11, 2020
    AKjeff

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    I had a VW Jetta TDI w. 5 speed a number of years ago. It would have been fun to do something like this with it, though the little diesel might have been a little under powered in a Jeep.
     
  6. Jun 11, 2020
    Buildflycrash

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    Did someone say this was going in a Jeep?
     
  7. Jun 11, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Don’t tell Seth...
    CJ3A Volkswagon TDI
     
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  8. Jun 11, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Depends what direction I go. Still weighing my options. I’m tempted to get a truckload of cheap ERW tubing and just slap together a crazy single-seat buggy that can also plow snow. I have plenty of time to figure it out.
     
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  9. Jun 12, 2020
    Fireball

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    You could use a Smart car body for a heated enclosed cab.
     
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  10. Jun 12, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    I like where this is going :)
     
  11. Jun 12, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Yeah, as fun as it sounds to cram everything required into a body even smaller than a CJ3A, north Idaho isn’t exactly a hotbed of smart car inventory. :D I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen one in person. Don’t forget, my budget is ~$50 or less on this. I search the “please come haul it away before I call the scrap guy” section of the classifieds.
     
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  12. Jun 12, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    Then you might want to keep your eyes open on garbage day for one of these sitting by the curb. :whistle:













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  13. Jun 12, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    One last pic before I put this thread to bed for a while. It’s all back together and stashed in a corner.

    This is how much room is given to remove/install the 6 flex plate bolts on this engine :rofl:

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  14. Jun 30, 2020
    Keys5a

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    I believe I sent you a photo of a Keys version of what you're about to attempt, only it had a Japanese micro-pickup cab on it. It was built on an early CJ5 chassis too! Just insert your Volvo for the Dodge Voyager V6 that one has.
    -Donny
     
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  15. Jun 30, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Yup, still have that pic, but those micro trucks are a fortune out here. There’s a Subaru version for sale with no title or drivetrain for $2500!
     
  16. Aug 9, 2020
    Muzikp

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    Your love for Volvo's cracks me up. Carry on (y)
     
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  17. Dec 16, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    I’m starting to change direction on this idea. I’m going to ditch the transaxle plan. I’m looking at using this engine in the 3b with a truck 4-speed, and get this thread back out of the Quitters Club. (y)

    Volvo used 3 basic variations of their “white block” engines: a 4-cyl, a 5-cyl, and a 6-cyl. All had the same bellhousing bolt pattern, but only the 6-cyl (and only when in the 960 model) came in a traditionally-mounted RWD configuration, where all the rest were transversely mounted FWD or AWD. The auto that came behind the 6 in the 960 had a detachable bellhousing. This bell can be used to adapt other transmissions to. Here is one that somebody adapted to a BMW trans.

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    So with this bell, I’ll be able to run the normally-transversely-mounted 5-cyl in the traditional engine location. These engines are so compact, it’s the same length as the 4-cyl I put in the 3a, but with 160 HP. If my wife ever wrecks her car beyond repair, I’ll be able to bolt in that powerhouse for 280hp. :sneak:

    I pulled the transaxle off this morning

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    And dug the flywheel/pressure plate/clutch out of storage that I’ve had stashed away for a time like this.

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    I’ve located a killer trans/t-case option for this a few hours away, but we’ll have to see if it’s still available after the new year when I have a better chance at affording it. :waiting: Once I have a drivetrain in my possession, it’ll be easier to commit to finding/funding a bellhousing.
     
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  18. Dec 16, 2020
    Lockman

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    On the plus side......Your Joiner make's a fantastic holding / bench area . :)
     
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  19. Dec 17, 2020
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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    Or....

    I could cannibalize this 5-spd transaxle that I’ve been hanging onto for whatever reason. Cut the front half (and side) off of this and cut the back half off a Chevy bell and weld them together... :sneak: This already has the clutch arm and hydraulic cylinder built in. Hmmmm...

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  20. Dec 17, 2020
    Lockman

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    Your Good.....But isn't that cast Aluminum ?
     
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