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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Focker, Aug 19, 2014.

  1. Aug 26, 2014
    kenc80

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    Ha yeah, I bought a "2nd rig" and if the owner was a good builder you may be fine. If he isn't, you might be in trouble. Good thread.

    Would 2nd whoever suggested putting 11's in while youre at it (famous last words) if youve got a 225 and a youngster behind the wheel.

    At least up front IMO.

    Cheers and good luck

    Ken
     
  2. Aug 26, 2014
    WorkInProgress

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    Just my opinion but factory 9 Inch brakes are fine for mine. I have all new components and new master cylinder and I can lock em up and drop very quickly with no problems in my cj5.

    My 48 cj2a I installed the R&P dual master cylinder with my factory 9 inch drums and it stops but not nearly as well as my 59 but I am still trying to figure it out and I haven't given up on it yet might have it figured out.
     
  3. Aug 28, 2014
    Focker

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    POP!!!
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    I meet WorkInProgress and borrowed his puller today. Just as I got home who pulls in the driveway? The FedEx truck with the puller I ordered and canceled (because it was shipped to TN). I received it anyway and went to work on the hub (yes I'll contact Amazon and tell them I have it and pay for it). First I tried the borrowed puller because it's built so much better. After pounding on the puller with my new BFH and applying some heat, I was afraid to ruin another guys tool. I unpacked the one I ordered and decided to try the rattle gun approach. That's when I heard the shot heard from around the world! It was a thing of beauty...I never thought this thing was coming off.

    So with that behind me...How do I get the axle out? I put the hub on without the key and am using it as a slide hammer. The axle is wiggling all over the place but it doesn't want to come out. It feels like the break is right behind the bearing.

    I want to throw a shout out to WorkInProgress and the forum. Thanks for the tool and thanks for running a site that allowed me to hook up with a local Jeep enthusiast!

    ~Focker
     
  4. Aug 29, 2014
    Focker

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    Finally...Success!

    I had to heat the race and use the hub as a slide hammer. It's a clean break...The axle shaft is 19 spline.
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  5. Aug 29, 2014
    timgr

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    Excellent carnage.
     
  6. Aug 29, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    Looks like it was cut with a hack saw.
     
  7. Aug 29, 2014
    sterlclan

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    thats a part for the wall...
     
  8. Aug 30, 2014
    Thorwon

    Thorwon I'm learning.

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    I use old axles to make hammer heads and pry bars.
     
  9. Aug 30, 2014
    Focker

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    I like the pry bar idea, I was just going to scrap it but I'll reconsider.
     
  10. Aug 31, 2014
    Focker

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    So, basically given my "wrong year axle" situation. What am I shopping for?
    Pre '70 tapered axle parts?
    Can I bolt 11" drums on the axle housing I have?

    There's a '71 CJ-5 near me with... "Dana 44 axles front & rear, 488 gears, new Warn hubs, brakes and leaf springs. 3 speed trans and transfer case in good shape." - $1200
     
  11. Aug 31, 2014
    timgr

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    Yes and yes. Make sure the spine count matches - was there a spline count break for the tapered axles? Not sure.

    No CJ ever came with a Dana 44 front, FYI. Must be mistaken, or it was swapped in. That '71 should have a flanged rear 44 and Dana 27 closed knuckle front. 4.88 was a factory ratio.
     
  12. Aug 31, 2014
    Focker

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    Thanks, I'll pass and just install the free replacement axle shaft. No spline breaks. Should I just go to Napa for a new seal, bearing and race? Or is there a online recommendation?
     
  13. Aug 31, 2014
    timgr

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    By spline break I mean something like to-64 is 10 spline and from-64 is 19 spline (for example). I know a lot about the intermediates, but others here know more about your year and earlier. You'll be fine if the replacement shaft spline count matches the broken shaft.
     
  14. Aug 31, 2014
    Focker

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    It's 19 spline, 29 3/4" long. I'll be picking it up on Friday.
     
  15. Sep 10, 2014
    Focker

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    Need some guidance.

    1 - Does the castle nut look like it's on far enough? I'm having a hard time knowing if the hub is seated.
    2 - What are the torque specs on the nut?

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  16. Sep 10, 2014
    Walt Couch

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    150 minimum pounds feet (fsm info)
     
  17. Sep 10, 2014
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    FSM says minimum 150 ft.lbs. Don't forget to re-torque them after you get a few miles on it.


    Is it just me or are the stud's splined sections sticking a bit too farr out from the hub surface?


    H.
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2014
  18. Sep 10, 2014
    Warloch

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    I always used the hole in the axle as the guide - I wanted the cotter pin to just fit in the hole at torque.
     
  19. Sep 10, 2014
    Focker

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    You're right. The shop pointed it out to me but the drum's stud holes clear the splines.

    Thanks for the torque specs everyone.
     
  20. Sep 10, 2014
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    With the drum on do they extend beyond the drum's surface? I'm concerned that the wheel nuts/wheels may be tightening up against the stud's splined section rather than drawing the wheel all the way in against the drum/hub.

    H.
     

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