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Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Focker, Aug 19, 2014.

  1. Aug 21, 2014
    Focker

    Focker That's a terrible idea...What time? Staff Member

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    I'm about ready to throw in the towel and remove the backing plate bolts and see what happens.
     
  2. Aug 21, 2014
    timgr

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  3. Aug 21, 2014
    Focker

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    I went and rented a 7 ton 3 Jaw puller this morning. I've heated it, beat, rattled it with my air gun and finally...Cussed at it (I was certain that would have worked if nothing else).
     
  4. Aug 21, 2014
    Thorwon

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    Put the puller on it and take a good bind on it. Then give the puller a good smack with a shop hammer. It should jump off, don't let it hit you. I've had pullers fly three or four feet.
     
  5. Aug 21, 2014
    Focker

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    I have, it's sitting under load right now. I'm hoping it pops off while I'm at work.
     
  6. Aug 21, 2014
    Glenn

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    I don't have any more advice to add, but if this is the '71 in your signature obviously it has the wrong rear axle in it.
     
  7. Aug 21, 2014
    Thorwon

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    Can you post a picture of the axle?
     
  8. Aug 21, 2014
    Focker

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    It is, what's the correct axle?

    I will tonight after work.
     
  9. Aug 22, 2014
    uncamonkey

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    If your rear axle had a big nut on it, something like 1 1/16 size, it's not the stock part for your year. The correct axle should be a flanged 44. Either the tapered or flanged D44s are fairly bullet proof until you go to big tires or big motors.
    I had an axle break while I was driving up a side road in Vail about 30 years ago. I suppose it was better to have it happen there than while I was on the highway at 60MPH.
     
  10. Aug 22, 2014
    Focker

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    It seems the inside diameter might be 3/4"...The nut measured 1 7/16".

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  11. Aug 22, 2014
    uncamonkey

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    Interesting parts you have there. a tapered axle set up that has a brake drum that isn't swedged to the hub.
    In the stock set up you probably should have had a "flanged axle" Do a search, look at the pictures.
    Even the brake backing plate isn't right what size is the brake drum?
     
  12. Aug 22, 2014
    Focker

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    I come up with 9".
     
  13. Aug 22, 2014
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    You need to measure the inside diameter of the brake drum. A '71 should have a 10" brakes with an axle end that looks like this -

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    No nut and no taper. A one-piece axle shaft.

    The 9" brakes were used on much earlier Jeeps with the 4 cylinder engine. If they are really 9" brakes, check that they match the fronts.

    Last full year for the nutted axle with a tapered shaft is 1969. The flanged axle is a much stronger axle and a feature of the '70-71 Jeeps. The flanged axles used 70-71 that are offset for the Dana 18 transfer case are scarce, and can command a good price when you find them.
     
  14. Aug 22, 2014
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    No wonder I was confused as to whether or not you needed a puller!

    I think your best bet right now is repeated impacts on the end of outer end of the puller screw, until the hub pops off when you least expect it. Use an air hammer if you have one. Maybe with some gentle heat on the hub.

    Will your puller fit on to the lug studs? If not, be careful not to bend the outer hub flange.
     
  15. Aug 22, 2014
    Focker

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    Thanks for the help everyone. It seems I have an early Dana 44. My Jeep's VIN sticker says Jan 71, maybe I have a left over axle from the previous year? I'll come back to that later. For now I've got to get it apart and find the break. A few pgs back I posted a link with the same issue, my set up looks like his. I'll give it another try and hope it pops!
     
  16. Aug 22, 2014
    duffer

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    You will probably break the flange off the hub with that puller but maybe no loss. If the key sheared and it spun on the shaft it's probably toast anyway. A normal hub puller bolts to the wheel studs so it isn't putting all that force on the outside rim. In addition, most have a striker wrench that will put a lot more tension on it than a gear puller, plus you can still beat the end of the screw with a BFH. Never had one not come off with one of those.

    Even if it was a left over axle, it would have had 10" brakes like Tim indicated. The 9" versions were never used with the 225.

    I have a hard time believing that someone would swap out the best factory rear axle ever used in an early CJ, but if it's a T14 transmission, that is what apparently happened. Bummer.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2014
    Focker

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    They're 9".

    They probably wanted to put in a different jeep or just put something in this one in order to sell it? Who knows...A lot could have happened over the last 42 years.

    Here's a question...What would be a economical upgrade?

    This is from a local craiglist ad - "This is a Dana 44 . It came off a 96 jeep Cherokee, but I don't think it was original to that vehicle. It has 3.30 gears and newer brakes and is in working order. You can pull the cover if you want. 50$ firm or trade for car stereo stuff"
     
  18. Aug 22, 2014
    Glenn

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    Can you post a picture of the dash, looking from the driver's side?
     
  19. Aug 22, 2014
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    I would love to know the paint code for that yellow color. My '57 was dealer resprayed and looks the same.

    If you are looking for a Dana 44, bear in mind it must match the track (width) of a CJ5, not a Cherokee, and must have an identical gear ratio to your front axle.
     
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