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Saginaw Steering And Pto Winch

Discussion in 'Winches' started by Steve's 70-5, May 15, 2020.

  1. May 22, 2020
    Steve's 70-5

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    I hear this all the time. The question I have, if the engine dies, how much pulling can you do on the battery?
    The way I see it, if the engine dies with either winch you are are not going anywhere.

    The engine running is not a valid argument
     
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  2. May 22, 2020
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    That sounds like a neat trick neat Nick, got any pics?
     
  3. May 25, 2020 at 7:43 AM
    colojeepguy

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    Not much but maybe enough to get you out of a creek after you kill the engine in deep water...
     
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  4. May 25, 2020 at 8:45 AM
    Howard Eisenhauer

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    You get a lot more if you pull the spark plugs :D
     
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  5. May 25, 2020 at 4:07 PM
    Ns0mniac

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    I would contest this, I've blown a lot of engines wheeling, an electric winch has been nice for getting me off the rocks and onto a flat spot where I can troubleshoot. The battery has always lasted me. Also I've bound up the clutch linkage on rocks before where I couldn't manipulate the clutch which would lead to issues with the PTO winch, but I guess a skid plate or hanging pedals would solve that problem, or maybe you could just spin it in gear with the starter?

    Perhaps if I had spent more time working on the engine and less time thrashing it in the rocks I wouldn't have had that problem either. I was younger and dumber than I am now:)
     
  6. May 25, 2020 at 10:17 PM
    oldtime

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    Well I would certainly suppose there must be a reason why most cable skidders and tow trucks tend to rely on PTO units.
    Strength, dependability, durability, and speed control all come to mind.

    Anyway to Steve I say ••• don’t mess up a good winch.
    Just take it off for now and try to enjoy your Jeep some.
    You can get back at it anytime later.
    Maybe you could trade your “A” frame winch for a low mount Koenig.
     
  7. May 25, 2020 at 11:19 PM
    PeteL

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    And add to that, full 100% duty cycle. For hours on end in some cases, for instance when I was moving a large pile of boulders.

    Another vote for PTO. Best accessory you can have on a Jeep IMHO.
     
  8. May 26, 2020 at 12:11 AM
    Desert Runner

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    I went thru the whole gambit. I started with a 9000 lb Desert Dynamics electric winch, 110 amp alt and dual batteries, which needed replace about every two years. The winch worked well for over 10years, and is now installed on my car hauler trailer.

    Next I went to a hydraulic Mile Marker 9000 lb winch. Fed by an AGR P/S pump. I loved this winch, two speed, easy to switch from fast to slow, I used this winch for dozens of recoveries and it worked flawlessly for two years. Then I could start a pull but if I stopped and any point, it would not reengage. I contacted MM and they said it was the solenoid block, so I bought one from flee bay. It worked once, on the next use the same problem occurred. So I forked out twice the price and bought one from MM. With the same results, worked once and not again. MM said if I shipped it to Florida they would diagnose it, and give me an est. It's now in the barn on the junk pile.

    I finally found a Ramsey Model 74 Dana 20 PTO. I actually got it from ebay in the mid 80's and then in 2013 or so got a pto winch to go with it. I like the ability to increase the drum speed by shifting gears, but I miss the ability to get out and watch things and use a remote to control things and get out of the line of fire

    So like others here have stated it comes down to your own personal preference
     
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  9. May 26, 2020 at 8:02 AM
    oldtime

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    You can operate a PTO winch from outside the vehicle if you have one with a built in friction disk clutch.
    I have such a winch on my present Jeep build.
    I have it rear mounted in place of the draw bar using all of the drawbar mounting points.
    So my custom winch cradle is very strong and also is designed to accept a log arch, boom or gin pole.
    This winch is operated from either inside or outside the Jeep.
    It is the Braden model J-22 3B and it was specifically designed for small jeeps.
     
  10. May 26, 2020 at 12:40 PM
    Ns0mniac

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    That's pretty awesome, never seen a PTO winch that you could operate from outside the cab, I guess that would solve my previously mentioned clutch binding problem.

    To be clear I'm not against PTO winches, I prefer them greatly on service vehicles, they beat electric hands down for stuff like firewood hauling, tow truck type work, any constant duty cycle work. For my Jeep I've personally chosen electric because I've had experiences that have steered me in that direction. To each their own! PTO winches definitely win in the coolness category though, no contest.
     
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