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Restoring Lockout Front Hubs

Discussion in 'Early CJ-5 and CJ-6 Tech' started by kenb, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. Aug 18, 2019
    kenb

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    Hello,
    I have a M38a1 from 1954 with what I think is the original Dana 25 front axle. The previous owner told me he had the front hub assemblies rebuilt at an off road shop. They installed lockout hub assemblies on the vehicle which function correctly. However, my intent is to restore the vehicle to an original military appearance and they look wholly inappropriate.
    Can anyone explain what parts I would need to track down to replace the lockout assemblies with original parts?
    Unfortunately I can't get any photos of my vehicle until Tuesday.
    Thanks,
    Ken
     
  2. Aug 18, 2019
    timgr

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  3. Aug 19, 2019
    kenb

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    Thanks for the reply. So once I remove the 6 screws should the locking hub just pull off? Does swapping these parts affect the wheel bearing adjustment?
     
  4. Aug 19, 2019
    melvinm

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    There could be A snap ring on the end of the axle You will need to remove . This will not effect the wheel bearing
    adjustment. Although if it was My Jeep I would leave the free wheeling hubs on it .
     
  5. Aug 19, 2019
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    There are some lockout hubs that look more appropriate than others.
    -Donny
     
  6. Aug 19, 2019
    kenb

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    Any recommendations on a brand that looks the part?
     
  7. Aug 19, 2019
    mike starck

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    I would think for a military restoration you would not want a aftermarket hub on the vehicle. Just put the 10 spline drive flange and dust cover on it that it was born with and drive it. I'm guessing it won't see a lot of off-road use anyway. The other option is to use drive flange with the splines removed so you do have a free wheeling hub but the original look. That was WARN'S answer on there first hubs. I cringe when I see a military vehicle that is all done to the nines and there are those aftermarket hubs like a black eye. only one opinion. mike
     
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    wheelie

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    The factory 10 spline drive flanges would indeed be correct for you project, as already stated. It would also be my choice it it were mine, though I do understand the want for lock outs by many. Depends on the owner and intended use.

    There's an old Cutlass hub that doesn't look too bad, if painted, IMO. Has a smallish body and a smallish knurled knob to engage/disengage the hubs.

    I'll try to find a picture.



     
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  9. Aug 19, 2019
    Jw60

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    I'm running cutlas hubs like that. They are all steel but item 14 is a plastic bushing between the drive gear and drive flange nothing aluminum and pretty easy to pull apart. I don't think they are as tough as drive flanges to abuse but for a driver. the only concern on the highway is keeping the bushing oiled so it doesn't seize the drive flange to the drive gear and cause a pull to the side
     
  10. Aug 19, 2019
    Lee Bennett

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    Uh oh, time for a lesson guys. I have these on my daily driver and don't know anything about them.
     
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    timgr

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    If it were my Jeep, I'd just run flanges. You don't need locking hubs - they are something of a solution looking for a problem, IMO. Street or trail, the flanges will be fine and you'll notice no difference with them instead of locking hubs. I'd look for some used flanges. We had a pile of them in the back lot at the Jeep dealership; in the day, they were routinely thrown away by customers who got them as take-offs for their locking hub install. Try all the Jeep and 4x4 forums, including the G503 forum. Be sure to get the dust caps.
     
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  12. Aug 20, 2019
    kenb

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    Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll try and find some used flanges.
     
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    Lee Bennett

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    I agree with wheelie and. Tim but I favor stock when Ifind it. But the project I am just finishing has these cutlass hubs on it. Don't know anything about them. Would rther have Warn CAM00511-1.jpg
     
  14. Aug 22, 2019
    kenb

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    Does anyone have any tips on how to remove the little hub caps on an axle with original drive flanges? I tracked down what I need, just hoping to remove the caps without damage.
     
  15. Aug 22, 2019
    timgr

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  16. Aug 22, 2019
    kenb

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    Thanks. I found a drum brake adjustment tool that had a similar shape and it wiggled right off. Flange came off too without any trouble. The service manual depicted using a puller for both so I was pleasantly surprised.
     

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