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Renegade ll - March 1971 Reference Photos

Discussion in 'Early Jeep Restoration and Research' started by NCRenII, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. Jan 13, 2018
    Steve's 70-5

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    There are some very good pictures in this thread
     
  2. Jan 14, 2018
    WYOMIKE

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    It might be like here in Wyoming. In 1971 when I bought mine, jeeps were classified as "utility vehicles " Because the state just had the classification of car or trucks, utility vehicles could be licensed as a truck or a car what ever the buyer wanted. Because I had a very low number truck plate (3- 107) 3 being the county number, I licensed it as a truck. And I still have that plate, so even today my jeep is still licensed as a truck With that same number 47 years later. And because trucks are charged by weight, and being the weight a jeep is, the license fee is pretty cheep ($47.50 per year) so why change!

    Mike
     
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  3. Jan 14, 2018
    Mark Wahlster

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    Does CA have a special plate for Pickups? Oregon doesn't and Commercial would only be used on a COMMERCIAL vehicle one used by a business. I been in CA a lot and now days it seams like 20% of the vehicles in Oregon come from CA and I drive Dump truck for a living so I am on the road on average 200+ miles ever day I can't say I have ever seen a different plate on a CA Pickup under a 1 ton. I could be wrong
     
  4. Jan 14, 2018
    NCRenII

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    Cars and pickup plates have a distinct difference of serial numbers in passenger vs trucks. This wiki page explains: Vehicle registration plates of California - Wikipedia
    Keep in mind a truck can have passenger, commercial, handicap, or any of numerous vanity plates depending on how the truck is used. Also passenger vehicles may require commercial license if used to haul people commercially (taxi, limo)
    Criteria includes if it has a shell and is not used for commercial purposes and/or has passenger seating in the "bed area". Examples beside the Renegade include pickups with a shell not used to haul, rv conversions (vans or trucks), blazers, suburbans, and I believe even the little subaru brat baja's.
    Here is the provision: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/c...-939ef851e288/ch13_comml_vehs.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
    In one regard it's nice there is a way to reduce fees. I used to own a '75 blazer with a removable cap and rear seat registered as a passenger vehicle. During summers we frequently removed the cap, other times I removed the rear seat to haul firewood. I was pushing getting a ticket doing that as it was registered a passenger vehicle. THis vehicle would need to be registered commercial now as any vehicle with a removable cap is considered a commercial now.
    To et this back on-track to the renegade. I believe that back in the day manufacturers were doing everything they could to keep trucks and utility vehicles selling. By adapting the use to passenger they kept that segment buying. I recall seeing ads for the renegades with people waving and smiling, making it a "fun" vehicle to buy and share time with friends.
     
  5. Jan 14, 2018
    AtomicYJ

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    Thank you for the excellent pictures. I also have a yellow Renegade II manufactured in March of '71 that is in the process of being restored.
     
  6. Jan 14, 2018
    wheelie

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    What a wonderful example you have there. It is beautiful. Thank you for keeping it and sharing it with us.

    I can say that here in PA, I have owned and seen titles that describe JEEPs (CJ models) as anything from TK (truck) to RD (roadster). Yes, roadster. Interesting description.
     
  7. Jan 14, 2018
    Keys5a

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    Thanks for the great documenting photos!
    As far a how States classify our Cj's, when I lived up in N. Carolina, my Tux was "SW", or station wagon even though it always had a soft top. Here in Florida, my CJ5 is "2D" or 2 door. I don't even have doors! Roadster would be more appropriate.
    -Donny
     
  8. Jan 15, 2018
    AtomicYJ

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    Mine does not have a gusset there either
     
  9. Jan 15, 2018
    Renegade ll

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    I have a 1971 Renegade also. It is not as original as yours. I have made some mods. I love the originality of yours. Great find.
     
  10. Jan 15, 2018
    NCRenII

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    1 dash.jpg 2 carb.jpg Thank you again guys. I have received some requests for additional pics. The dash will show a early cj mechanical oil gauge I may install if I cannot locate an electric. By the bowl stamp the carb appears to date from March 71?
     
  11. Jan 15, 2018
    NCRenII

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    Here are a few underhood details including emission system 3 driver side plumbing.jpg 4 preheat tube vac air valve and alternator.jpg 5 charcoal can.jpg 6 air pump bracket.jpg 7 air pump lines driver side.jpg 9 air pump lines passenger side.jpg 10 carb and air pump diverter valve.jpg 11 passenger side air lines and check valve.jpg
     
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  12. Jan 15, 2018
    NCRenII

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    ouple notes the charcoal can pic includes an aftermarket rad overflow bottle above it.
    The last photo shows a taped off, burned by heat riser contact, vapor return line that is plastic and runs from charcoal can to fuel tank.
    It appears a radiator shop (I have receipts for new heater and radiator core) changed out some spring clamps for perforated clamps.
    The last photo also shows the missing valve cover sticker I'd like to find what it was originally. It was so oil soaked and deteriorated I tried to gently clean, I was just too far gone.
     
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  13. Jan 15, 2018
    CJMark

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    You’re not the only one with a replacement oil pressure gauge, mine was replaced by previous owner with mechanical one. I’m ok with it, works. Note the hole notch at bottom.

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    Good to see all the Cal smog equipment, I believe the smog requirements were unique to California vehicles only, don’t see many of those.

    Just a thought, maybe that elusive valve cover decal sticker is only on California smog equipped Jeeps?
    Mark
     
  14. Jan 15, 2018
    NCRenII

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    Good point on the ca smog equip. Notice the sticker (post #8) on rad cowl mentions "california requirements"
     
  15. Jan 16, 2018
    CJMark

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    Yep, definitely different tag for your Mar. '71 Cal sold Jeep. My Nov. '70 Colorado sold Jeep has no mention of California emissions on tag.

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  16. Jan 16, 2018
    WYOMIKE

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    I think you correct Mark about the California thing. My May of 71 production tag also does not show California emission ether and I do not remember the valve cover decal sticker. Mine did have some emission equipment, air pump, distribution tubes, etc. but from the look of the pictures, I would guess that yours has more then mine did, like the charcoal can, which would seem to me that there was a lot of difference in the California emission controls and all the other states at that time.
    This tag is how mine was and is out of the 71 FSM, but they do not show anything like yours for California

    Mike


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  17. Jan 17, 2018
    NCRenII

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    It would be interesting to determine if it was california equipment, and the rest of them were 49 states.
    Given that I believe I'll review the tsm to see if there is mention of this. I know chrysler issued tsb (technical service bulletins) that were a single, a few or several pages outlining equipment changes or service procedures.
    A review of a parts manual may also shed light on unique parts.
    I know back in the day we complained about ca's lower compression ratio.
    Lastly the tag above sheds light on one point. Ignition timing is 0* on a single dist, all the others are 5 btdc. Our jeep has the 0* spec, and that is shown on the decal pc I posted above. Here is a pic of our dist. IAT-4502A. I believe "1D" is a date code

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  18. Jan 17, 2018
    NCRenII

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    I should have mentioned above my shroud decal lists timing 0*tdc
    I'm also curious if the owners manual is the same.
    On the back cover my manual reads PART No. 986189 1st PRINTING -Dec. 1970
     
  19. Jan 17, 2018
    WYOMIKE

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    Mine has the part number and date.
    Did notice one thing in the manual, in the maintenance plan they do talk about the vaporization canister filter which mine did not have and is not talked about in the 71 FSM. I think with the buy out and fed emission controls starting to come into play, a lot of changes were being made almost day to day.

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  20. Jan 17, 2018
    BJHitson60

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    Great pictures. Thanks for posting!
     

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