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President Red Paint Ratios???

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by durk, Dec 11, 2019.

  1. Dec 11, 2019
    durk

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    sterlclan

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    Why not just get it mixed in the right formula? Ford has nice red but it’s a crap shoot to match old red anyway. Find a shop with a spectrum gun they can shoot the Jeep and give you a matching paint.
     
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    durk

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    huh... good idea! I’ll take the OG dash in. Thanks for the good feedback! J
     
  4. Dec 25, 2019
    teletech

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    I haven't had amazing luck with the spectrum analyzer approach. It's a real crap-shoot with metallics and even my solid colors have been hot-or-miss with both my local DuPont (Axalta) jobber and PPG distributor. Looking it up by application and having them give you a little extra tint in a separate can so you can fuss with it isn't the fastest way but does seem to give the best results for me.
    I do have microfiche for PPG so if you PM me with the year and color code I can look it up FWIW.
     
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    When I did my Jeep, was shooting PPG base coat. Need more paint and was going to switch to Nason to save some money. The paint guy told me they would not match because Nason and PPG had a different formula for the same paint color . Different brands will vary in color
     
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    teletech

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    Oh, yeah, don't do that unless you are going to do the whole vehicle. The money you might save will almost certainly be swamped by the annoyance of the mismatch.
    Actually, even going back to the PPG dealer will often yield a slightly different color: the accuracy of the mix on the scale, how long each particular toner has been on the mixing rack will determine it's solvent loss and when it was last agitated will change how suspended the solids are, even when the last pour of each toner was will matter since most shops aren't perfect in cleaning spouts. The mix will usually show the biggest difference in the smallest (often strongest) pigment. Mixed gallons will be way more accurate than a 4-ox touch-up...
    I was buying 4oz mixes made from codes looking for a color match to my (non factory color) Jeep. One time I accidentally bought the same paint twice and they were pretty dramatically different! The good news, if it can be called that, is if you have a few colors that are all close you can mix them to get even closer. :-\
     
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    sterlclan

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    of course they would be different they all use proprietary formulas for tint, they should both yield the same finished color. that would be like them telling you they cant match your car unless they use a certain brand, that's bunk.
     
  8. Dec 28, 2019
    durk

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    Yah the colour spectrum gun thing didn’t work out at my Sherman William auto paint jobber..... uhh Next step was to go through old paints chips books, however you never find Willys or pre 1973 Jeep samples. So any chance any one here who’s painted their Jeep president red have the mix values weights. Thanks
     
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    teletech

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    I'm not sure I have your year, but I spent the money to buy vintage paint chip books so there is a better than even chance I can help with the codes.
    I'm travelling for the next week or so though.
     
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    The Sherwin Williams color code is 441, surely they can still look up the mix code from that.
     
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    Willys/Kaiser Jeep President Red is code 78/108 for the early version, and 226/326 for #2 version. My Ditzler/PPG codes show 3 variations of President Red 78/108 for '56-'65 (70549), President Red#2 226/326 for '62-'70 (71334), and President Red '69-'70 (Int. 71637). All my color chips look the same, maybe the earliest version slightly darker.
    These PPG numbers should help in crossing over to other name brands for the same color.
    That formula in the first post is a fairly translucent mix. The base colors are only about 2/3 of the paint. The binder (1/3) is essentially clear. I prefer a high solids paint where the binder is a much smaller percentage, but you might not have too much choice.
    -Donny
     
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    durk

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    Awesome info, thanks. I’ll keep everyone posted on my finds. Thanks all
     
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    teletech

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    I can't seem to view the image you posted at the start of the thread and I don't think you ever shared what year you were working with.
    Anyway, I'm back in town so could look up formula(s) as needed for PPG Concept and Deltron.
     
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    durk

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    33977F1C-9CA2-48FF-A48D-889ED230E4FB.jpeg Hey welcome back. Trying to mix ratio for 1968 Jeep president red colour. This is all I could find for president red... 1959 Ford Edsel. Thanks a lot jesseUOTE="teletech, post: 1534504, member: 92474"]I can't seem to view the image you posted at the start of the thread and I don't think you ever shared what year you were working with.
    Anyway, I'm back in town so could look up formula(s) as needed for PPG Concept and Deltron.[/QUOTE]
     
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    teletech

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    PPG 71334 is supposedly the code but oddly I don't have a recipe for it in either system. I'll dig a little deeper in my chip books and see what I find.

    I contacted the dealer and the only formula they have is for the Omni line single-stage. An inferior paint to be sure but there is a single-stage version so it might be your best option.
    The dealer said the Concept and Deltron must have required a toner that has been discontinued for many years, I wonder what must have been in it? I'd suggest being careful sanding the old paint if it was nasty enough to be banned nationally by the 1990s.
     
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    Dave Deyton

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    Sprayed some Dupont President's Red. Base Coat Clear Coat seemed way too shiny.

    I have heard some mix some of the base coat in the clear to cut the shine.

    I think I will go with the single stage for durability.


    Dave
     
  18. Jan 7, 2020
    sterlclan

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    Adding base to the clear will cut the gloss at the expense of durability
     
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    Dave Deyton

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    That is good to know.

    I heard some in the AACA club say they did that, but I haven't tried it.

    Thanks for the advice.

    Dave
     
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    Is this of any help?

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