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Poor gas mileage with 225

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by blevisay, Oct 30, 2006.

  1. Oct 30, 2006
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    I am posting this for Dave.




    > I would like some help from my Jeep junkies aficionado's!!!
    > > I have a 1967 Jeepster Commando. I have put in Hedman headers and a
    HEI to the motor; with both of these modifications my gas mileage has
    DROPPED drastically. Talking with friends they say that my headers
    might be scavenging the air out of the cylinders, due to not enough back
    pressure? Is this viable answer? Could there be other problems? I am
    about to put a remanufactured Rockchester 2 jet and a new intake gasket.
    In hope to seal up some of the vacuum leaks. Any help would be greatly
    appreciated!
    > > Thank you for your time
    > > Dave Townsend
     
  2. Oct 30, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Mine with headers and a dual point still manages between 14.5 and about 15.2 just depends on the weather and road, thats with 3.73 gears and 31's. I would look to the carb and possibly rejetting.
     
  3. Oct 30, 2006
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    start with the basics:
    compression test
    leakage test
    vac reading at idle
    post the results
     
  4. Oct 30, 2006
    MOP

    MOP Active Member

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    Make sure the HEI is timed correctly (vacuum advance is correct/has appropriate advance curve?)
     
  5. Oct 31, 2006
    66cj5

    66cj5 Jeep with no name

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    I get 13-14mph with 4.27 gears and 31.5's.
     
  6. Oct 31, 2006
    russo

    russo Hope is not a method

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    Man - I would love to get 14 mpg. My all stock 225 is getting 11 mpg. Scratching head - maybe I need to look a little deeper.
     
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    MOP

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    Better than 15 mpg (regularly) has been rumored around here a few times, but I think those people are bad at math.
     
  8. Oct 31, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    Mine was getting 18 last I checked. Bad math?
     
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    MOP

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    Refer to post 8....:D
     
  10. Oct 31, 2006
    timgr

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    I would expect a lot depends on how you drive, and what your comfortable top speed is. The wind resistance between 55 and 70 mph increases 62%... from 18 to 14 mpg is only a 22% drop.
     
  11. Oct 31, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    Your cj7 with a 302 has fuel injection and an overdrive which helps alot, not to mention its a much more modern engine.
     
  12. Oct 31, 2006
    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    302 is more modern? The design is about the same age I'd guess. The fuel injection helps I'm sure. But you're pushing a brick. That's why 4 cylinders don't get much better fuel economy than sixes in newer YJ/TJs.
     
  13. Oct 31, 2006
    Mcruff

    Mcruff Earlycj5 Machinist

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    The initial block design is about the same age but the HO heads make it at least 20 years newer in design. But you're right either way your pushing a brick, but I dare say the cj7 has slightly tilted windshield which would help some.:rofl:
     
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    sparky

    sparky Sandgroper Staff Member Founder

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    That's where I get 18 mpg, it's that later CJ style WS. ;)
     
  15. Oct 31, 2006
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Back in the day.... :rofl:
    My Dad bought the '71 slightly used in '73. I recall him telling me that it got ~19 mpg. I confirmed that on a highway trip when I borrowed it in '74 for a weekend run to the mountains. That was of course with 3.73s, 28" tires, metal hard top, highway miles at the speed limit, about 55.

    These days (when it's running :rofl: :mad: ) it gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 mpg.
     
  16. Oct 31, 2006
    blevisay

    blevisay Oh Noooooooooooooooo! Staff Member

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    willys59cj5

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    I got about 15 MPG for years with a single barrel :v6:.
    5:38 with warn OD and 31 in. tires.
     
  18. Oct 31, 2006
    timgr

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    Billy, maybe Dave puts his foot in it more now that the headers (and I presume free-flowing exhaust) are present?

    Headers are supposed to slightly lean out the mixture by the "extraction" effect, which is what I think he's talking about. I think that's actually less dilution of the next fuel-air charge by low-O2 exhaust gas, so there's more O2 available.

    The major effect is supposed to be an increase in volumetric efficiency, since the low-restriction exhaust means that the cylinder is closer to atmospheric pressure at the end of the exhaust stroke - no residual pressure to prevent the entry of the new fuel-air charge. You're supposed to compare the spark plugs before and after to track the mixture change, but it would be worthwhile to look at the plugs now.

    Conventional wisdom says that headers are the only performance upgrade that also provides an increase in mileage. The headers might change the mixture, but I'd think with proper tuning you should get the same power from less fuel. A change in driving habits would easily wipe that out though.

    hth!
     
  19. Oct 31, 2006
    wjCJ5

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    I was getting 10 with 31s and 5.38. Now with 31s and 3.73s i am getting 15-17. I have petronic hei upgrade and headers.
     
  20. Nov 1, 2006
    mr1t5abcde

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    Ok Gentlemen, Thanks for the responce. I was getting 16+ mpg, with dual exhaust and stoch headers. The jeep runs OK? for the most part. I think that my carb is SOOOO old that rejeting is not an answer, that is why I am puttind on a new remanufactured 2 Jet. I am worried about the basics, vacuum, compression, and leak test, it means that I will have to rebuild the motor. This weekend the carb and intake gasket go in to the motor. I will post after that!
    Thanks Everyone
     
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