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Painting the Tux with Interlux Brightside and roll & tip method

Discussion in 'Builds and Fabricators Forum' started by jbjeeps, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. Jul 6, 2015
    jbjeeps

    jbjeeps Member 2022 Sponsor

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    This project was supposed to be done last year, but our move across the state put it on hold. My wife has made it clear that she wants her Jeep back, so it's time to get it done.

    When it's finished, the body will be white, windshield frame, roll bar and bikini top black and upholstery red.

    Like most of the things I do, this is another "experiment". I've read about this technique, but never done it, so I'm not sure how it will turn out. I'll be happy with a 50 foot paint job.

    Some people recommend "roll and tip" using a roller and brush, others suggest "roll and roll" using two rollers. I'll try each. The important points seem to be 1. Do small sections at a time, and, 2. Roll horizontally and tip vertically.

    Here's a link to a good article

    http://www.acbsphl.org/Tips_and_hints/Topside_Painting_Rolling_and_Tipping.htm

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  2. Jul 6, 2015
    Oldriginal86

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    That tub looks pretty straight, it would be a shame for it not to have a nice finish. If spraying is out of your capabilities why not haul it to a local shop and have it done? With you doing all the prep and priming shouldn't be too much. We use the roll and tip method to paint wooden boats but haven't seen it done on metal.
     
  3. Jul 6, 2015
    jbjeeps

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    I've spoken to several shops about that, but they all either want to do a $3-5000 paint job or else they're not interested. This is a trail Jeep and a grandkid hauler. It will get nicked, scratched,dented and abused by preschoolers. Not something I want to spend $3-5 on.

    You're right about the tub, it's in great shape. So the good thing about what I'm doing is that if someone in the future wants to put a nice paint job on it and make it a show Jeep, all they need to do is remove the paint.

    Besides, I like the challenge of doing it this way, I'm curious to see how it turns out.
     
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  4. Jul 7, 2015
    uncamonkey

    uncamonkey Member

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    It's your Jeep, do to It as you want it to be. I spent weeks welding in replacement metal and I have to admit there is over a gallon of Bondo on my 3B. It's a 20/20 paint job, Rustoleum white. At least I can find paint anywhere and to tell the truth, I really don't care. I have spare parts and a welder.
    Actually have another 3B out by the shed, at least the parts... Carry on.
     
  5. Jul 7, 2015
    IRQVET

    IRQVET Bubbaification Exorcist

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    The body looks pretty straight. If I was in your shoes, I would buy a sprayer and practice on a piece of card board until you have it down.

    Remember, youtube "how to" videos are plentiful.
     
  6. Jul 7, 2015
    timgr

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    I see two problems with the roller method. First is the amount of work needed to buff out the rolled paint so that it's smooth. Second is that the lack of hardness of single-stage paint will make the result not very durable. If you spray all in one go with a quality 2K product (paint and hardener), you can paint the whole body in one session, and it will cure much harder than any single-stage paint.

    Plus on a boat you have much larger flat or curved surfaces than on a Jeep. I kinda doubt that the roll-and-tip is going to work well anywhere except the larger flat surfaces. And on a boat, you care more about weathering and less about impact and surface hardness (stone chips, car doors etc.)

    The Kirker paints are well regarded - http://smartshoppersinc.com/autobod..._finish_products-1/start_to_finish_paint_kits

    I think you would be better off with spray cans and buffing than using a roller.

    Or look on Craig's List for a painter. http://eastidaho.craigslist.org/search/aos?query=paint
     
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  7. Jul 7, 2015
    pfmg

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    Find a local tech school, they will paint if for the cost of the paint. You get a decent paint job for a great price. down side is it takes a little longer. Even though its not perfect, it is 100% better than, me having never painted a vehicle, could have done in my back yard.
     
  8. Jul 7, 2015
    Alan28

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    I have made some painting on my Jeep by hand, with a brush, it is not really perfect, and I believe that it is easier and better with an air pistol, the new ones seems very good and cheap (low pressure). Take your time and make a test. You can rent one.
    Find some pro who comes and do it.
    It will really be better that hand painting.
     
  9. Jul 8, 2015
    jbjeeps

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    Thanks to all for the comments. Good dialogue is always appreciated, even when we disagree.

    I understand the advantages and disadvantages of the various painting options available. This was never about picking the best option. I chose to use this method because I've been curious to try it.

    I've started with a small test section, the top and side of the right rear wheel well. Here are a few things I've learned so far:

    1. You'll never really know how many nooks and crannies there are on the inside of a Jeep tub until you try to paint it with a roller and brush. :)
    2. It is amazing how many bubbles there are in the paint when it's rolled on, and even more amazing how quickly and completely they all disappear when you tip it.
    3. A foam brush seems to be working better than a bristle brush for tipping.
    4. As others who have done this have said, work quickly, paint a small section, tip, then paint, tip, etc.
    5. The first coat did not cover well, second coat looks better, three coats might do it, but I'm guessing it will take four.

    I'll get some pictures up soon.

    However, I did learn tonight that there is a local shop that rents out their spray booth and equipment. So that's my ace in the hole if I decide to throw in the towel on this. :beer:
     
  10. Jul 8, 2015
    timgr

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    Comment - fresh non-catalyzed paint should come off easily with lacquer thinner or xylene. So if you decide to switch methods, you should be able to clean up your previous work without resorting to paint stripper.

    If you reach that point, another option would be to strip everything and start over from bare steel. A tan or other light color primer will make your white top coat cover much more easily than the original red paint. The SPI epoxy primer comes in white, and epoxy primer under your urethane top coat would be a simple and effective combination. I haev used the SPI primer and it covers well, and is easy to apply.
     
  11. Jul 8, 2015
    jim warren

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    Check out TCI Global for paints. They sell their own brand paint. The premix colors are very reasonable. I have painted a my 57 CJ5 and my sons Gladiator and have had decent result for an amateur. You can hone your spraying techniques when you spray the sanding primer. Sags and runs sand out easily. Unless you have a large capacity compressor, avoid the HVLP guns. They require large amounts of air. Stick with an old school shipon gun. Many people get good results from cheap Harbor Freight guns. I find painting very rewarding even if its not perfect.
     
  12. Jul 8, 2015
    jim warren

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    One other point I forgot to make. Interlux Brightside is not cheap. I believe a gallon of 2 part TCI premix acrylic enamel is around $85.00 a gallon. The2 part urethane is a little over $100.00 both buff out well.
     
  13. Jul 8, 2015
    69Willys

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    I'm all for your roll and tip method. I built a wooden boat years ago and did just that with Brightsides. It levels out very well using a foam roller to tip with. For your Jeep it will be fine. My boat looked almost as if it had been sprayed. Because my old van is too tall to fit in my garage, I'm actually considering doing the same on it. It'll be a 20 footer, but I don't care.
     
  14. Jul 9, 2015
    army grunt

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    I rolled mine, with Rustoleum!!It came out great, I used a hardener i picked up from tractor supply, I mixed small amounts an did 3 coats sanding between coats(reason for hardener)also Rustoleum



    has uv protection. After 3 rd coat I sprayed a very light coat, it worked great, i get comments every time i drive it:) good luck an great to see you are doing it yourself.
     
  15. Jul 9, 2015
    jbjeeps

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    Thanks for the additional comments and info. A 220 circuit, a good compressor and some spray equipment has been on my list for some time. Someday. But for now, I'm sticking with the roll and tip.

    I spent yesterday helping on son-in-laws farm, got a couple old tractors started, chased horses and baled hay until dark, so didn't get any painting done. Third coat going on today.
     
  16. Jul 11, 2015
    army grunt

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    you built a wooden boat also. Here is a shot of mine:)[​IMG]
     
  17. Jul 12, 2015
    Mike C

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    Looking forward to see how it all comes out!

    FWIW, I've painted at least 4 vehicles with a 2hp 110v Craftsman compressor which is more than sufficient. The killer for the little compressor is trying to run a DA. And they were all painted either in the yard or the driveway on a still evening.
     
  18. Jul 13, 2015
    IRQVET

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    I agree, I have a 110v California Air Tools 2hp/ 5 gallon compressor which I use to paint and I have never had issues with it keeping up. Air tools like DA's or cut off wheels, thats another issue. I usally spray in the driveway when priming and I paint in the garage.
     
  19. Jul 14, 2015
    txtoller

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    I painted my jeep, used a HVLP and had no issues with my 110v compressor, though it is a larger upright.

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  20. Jul 14, 2015
    mjs408

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    ^ what color is that?
     
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