Original Hub Caps?

Looking for an image of what the original hubcaps look like.

Wondering if these are close:

 

Hard to tell what those caps are or really look like but, at a glance, I think they are not JEEP. I don't recognize them as such, anyway.

 

Thanks.

There's some early bronco stuff mixed with a lot of other junk, was wondering what early hub caps looked like so I might try and grab 'em if I run across 'em.

As long as there's no 'neon spinners' in the box I'll be happy...

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Remind me of FJ40 or Ford hub caps.

Circa 2007~, I sold a set of five that my grandpa took off his '73 Ranger when he bought it (new in '73). Brought about 150$. These days they probably bring this with the economy.

 

AFAIK the original CJ caps are all "turbine" caps, covering the complete wheel.



I just grabbed this picture off the 'net. The bottom two are examples of "turbine" caps. The upper ones are what I call "Moon" style. AFAIK the Moon caps were never used on CJs, though the red-and-gold ones should fit if you have the wheels with the proper bumps (ie late 60s & 70s). When AMC took over, the Kaiser red and gold was replaced with red, white and blue. There are RW&B Moon style caps out there, but they do not fit the five-lug wheels.

 

The moon style red and gold caps, also called dog dish or poverty hub caps, were stock on the Tuxedo Park. They sometimes also included a separate ring around the outside that resembled the turbine type.

 

Excellent information to have.
thanks all.

 

There was also a one piece design of this style, which were on my Tuxedo Park and I believe to have been on the JEEP from the day the dealer sold it. Front and rear shown below.

 

This is (vaguely) what I thought came on the Tux. I would call these turbines.

Maybe the moons with a trim ring were used too - don't know. Moons came with the center cut out, too. I have some for my J10.

Either is going to be really scarce.

 

Just a guess but, I think the 2 piece design came on earlier Tuxedo Parks. Mine is a '66. I didn't know the moons, alone, weren't optional on a cj.

 

My 67 Tux has only the inner moon part. No sign of ever having the outer ring, but its possible.

 

FYI I bought a set of hubcaps off CL a few months ago. Turns out they're for a full size Jeep, and just a little too small to fit CJ wheels.

 

wow, those look nice...

 

Dog Dish were available through the dealerships for the 15" rims starting around 1963 with the advent of the J-series. You could obtain them for CJs also. My 62-73 parts book shows them along with the full hub caps. The 62 - 73 book shows both the Blue/red and the Gold/red logos available for both the f4 and V6, but it was generally known that the Gold/red went with the V6 and the Blue/red on the f4, neither of which were offered after 1971. They were usually found on the Tuxedo Park and a good example is if you can find the movie of Elvis and girlfriend driving around in his and her CJ5 Tuxes, one in a blue and one in a red. If you wanted full hub caps, you could order the spoke beauty rings to go with the dog dish which was troublesome as the beauty rings required 5 mounting clips each. When I purchased my 73 CJ5 new from Thorpe's Jeep in Sacramento, you could only get the full hub cap, also shown in the -73 book as part # 999878. All of the above required a cap without the center trademark for the front if you had manual hubs. WARNING to those shopping these: there were 2 sizes of them in both color options. The smaller, which is only about an 1/8" difference, will not snap onto the rim requiring the larger one. As both offered front with lockout holes, the difference cannot be attributed to the smaller being dedicated to DJs with 4-lub wheels. More likely, it is agreed that this was due to different vendors of wheels for particular production runs or year models. Yes, I have some. I hope this helps or at least contributes to other posts on this subject. I posted this on another thread before seeing this main one, so I'm sorry for the duplication. Also, the gold/red ones were introduced in 1963 for the J-Series and are pictured with and without beauty rings in my Willys Motors introduction for dealers book dated 9/62.

 

Wasn't gold and red associated with Kaiser, and Blue and red associated with AMC?

 

Yes. AMC :AMC: is definitely the R-W-B color scheme. I have never seen a R-W-B moon that fits a five-lug wheel. Maybe they existed ... don't know. All the R-W-B moons I have seen are for 6-lug wheels, and won't work on CJs. Note that the last year for 5-lugs on the Wagoneer/J-trucks was 1973, well into the AMC era. So that could be the target of R-W-B moons for 5-lug wheels. But I don't recall those were ever offered in the early 70s as factory equipment on the CJs - turbines only. If they existed, you could have easily bought them through the parts department and put them on your CJ.

There are a lot of interesting Willys-era hub caps too. http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=106352

 

I had this on my 79 DJ5G. I had 2 AMC on the curb side and 2 Kaiser on the street side. The DJ had stock 15x5 wheels.
(These were purchased off the interweb and did not come on the Dispatcher)

 

NB these R-W-B caps are the same font as the earlier R-G caps pictured above (my post), so I expect they are the same stamping, painted differently. The 6-lug caps shown above (Doug's post) have a different font and the Jeep letters are painted blue. Should be straightforward to quickly separate the 5 and 6 lug caps.

What Doug shows is what I have on my J10, and they are factory correct for the truck.

 

New member here, but have been around these Jeeps for almost 50 years. I have a white/red CJ5a my dad bought new in early '65 (heavily modified over the years), and a blue/white ht CJ5a that is quite complete and original.
There were several other Tuxedo Park MkIV around back when ours was near new that I remember quite well. Virtually all of them had the full hubcaps that wheelie shows in post #8. The exception was a MkIII (indian ceramic) that had the red/gold dog dish hubcaps with trimrings. I remember the dealer had a display of the Tuxedo Park unique items in the corner of the showroom, and included the full hubcaps. The dog dish hubcaps, as well as many other options were on the other side of the showroom, which, by the way, held 3 vehicles including a J pickup and leftover wagon.
One of the other local Tux's back in the day didn't have the center holes on the front but were the same as the rear. His had std drive flanges on the hubs, but the rest all had Warn auto lockouts that needed the hole. All of these Tux's back then around us had the F4/column shift. I remember when the V6 s came out the next model year and was disappointed we didn't wait to get one of those!
-Donny

 

Interesting input, Donny. Thanks for posting. The Tuxedo Park stuff is always a good topic and it's nice to hear first hand accounts on these items. Thanks.